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    Re: Has Obama been a good President?

    Quote Originally Posted by ttwtt78640 View Post
    Wrong. The major point of PPACA opposition was the complete federal control of "private" medical care insurance policy content. Even if you like your plan then you must kiss it goodbye and replace it with a federally approved plan was the reality yet not the promising sales slogan used.
    It's true that Obamacare raised the quality of health insurance for everyone, but I've rarely seen increased minimum standards brought up as a concern by Republicans. When asked about what parts of the law they'd change, they ambiguously say that there are other ways to achieve the same results (but never specify them).

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    Re: Has Obama been a good President?

    Quote Originally Posted by Anthony60 View Post
    Well, Obama really never had a chance at being a good, or even mediocre President. He was doomed from the beginning. The man simply is not qualified to be POTUS.

    Whatever agenda he has, destroy the fundamentals and change this country, or look to the Constitution and support it's protections of our freedoms, he was destined to fail. He was a community organizer that just doesn't have the required experience to run a country. It is beyond me how those that voted for him did not realize that they were putting a novice in office. If you set up things to fail, you have no business complaining about it.

    Plus, he came into a situation that was way, way over his head. The economy was in trouble, Bush and Congress went the wrong way, and he just put his foot on the gas pedal with the debt. The sad thing is, there was a template to follow which worked in the past.

    After the disastrous Carter Presidency, Reagan was able to guide the country to prosperity. Obama did the exact opposite. He had the solution sitting right in front of him and couldn't see it. That is what a novice does.
    I agree in the sense that he was not ready for the position. He would have done better to do some more time in Congress and learn.
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    Re: Has Obama been a good President?

    Quote Originally Posted by Perotista View Post
    The other side of the coin is true also. Actually the idea of the ACA can be traced back to JFK, private insurance vs. government run for medicare.
    Good morning, Pero.

    Why is it that the Dems have such an interest in healthcare insurance? Hillary tried, and withdrew due the backlash that followed from her own party; JFK thought about it; and with Obama it took bribes and threats and secret meetings behind closed doors to get it passed - with not one Republican vote! Is it that control of one-sixth of our economy is too enticing not to make the attempt?

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    Re: Has Obama been a good President?

    I live in Wisconsin, so I couldn't vote.

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    Re: Has Obama been a good President?

    Health insurance mandate - Wikipedia, the free encyclopedia

    An individual mandate to purchase healthcare was initially proposed by the politically conservative Heritage Foundation in 1989 as an alternative to single-payer health care. From its inception, the idea of an individual mandate was championed by Republican politicians as a free-market approach to health-care reform.[13][14] The individual mandate was felt to resonate with conservative principles of individual responsibility, and conservative groups recognized that the healthcare market was unique. Stuart Butler, an early supporter of the individual mandate at the Heritage Foundation, wrote:

    If a young man wrecks his Porsche and has not had the foresight to obtain insurance, we may commiserate, but society feels no obligation to repair his car. But health care is different. If a man is struck down by a heart attack in the street, Americans will care for him whether or not he has insurance.[13]
    In 1993, President Bill Clinton proposed a health-care reform bill which included a mandate for employers to provide health insurance to all employees through a regulated marketplace of health maintenance organizations. However, the Clinton plan failed amid concerns that it was overly complex or unrealistic, and in the face of an unprecedented barrage of negative advertising funded by politically conservative groups and the health-insurance industry.[15] At the time, Republican Senators proposed a bill that would have required individuals, and not employers, to buy insurance, as an alternative to Clinton's plan.[13]

    An individual health-insurance mandate was initially enacted on a state level in Massachusetts. In 2006, Republican Mitt Romney, then governor of Massachusetts, signed an individual mandate into law with strong bipartisan support. In 2007, a Senate bill featuring a federal mandate, authored by Bob Bennett (R-UT) and Ron Wyden (D-OR), attracted substantial bipartisan support.[14][16]

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    Re: Has Obama been a good President?

    Quote Originally Posted by Morality Games View Post
    (1) Not sure what you expect. When Bush was challenged on the wisdom of his policies, he angrily and famously declared, "I am the decider." And he was correct to do so then, as Obama was with Joe the Plumber; in a functioning democratic society, every single citizen is morally obligated to show great respect and deference to the elected leader by virtue of the election. If they don't, then the leader can't work, and people stop believing in democracy.

    (2) Then you'll be able to explain in very clear terms what the obviously correct decision was, the one that Obama missed, although I promise, there's nothing you can say that I can't point out the flaws; Obama has thousands of political analysts and experts to tell him the right thing to do and weigh the positive and negative aspects of each decision. If they couldn't collectively come up with a better, problem free solution, it is unlikely any one this board will do better.

    (3) You might as well say Obama should breathe and space fly to the moon like Supermen. The *only way* to overcome partisan dysfunction is by making it more worthwhile for the person who opposes you to cooperate with you instead. That, or destroying them and eradicating or absorbing their power base for yourself. Neither the Obama or the Democrats have *anything* that could possibly sway the Republicans to cooperate with them for 1000 reasons; the first and most important is that it makes the Democrats *look better* than the Republicans that a Democratic president was able unify a divisive Washington. That single reason by itself is good enough reason for no Republican to ever cooperate with Obama if they can possibly avoid it. Then there are 999+ nearly valid reasons, all rooted in, again, the realities of power.

    One aspect of that reality is corporate special interest. Huge industries like pharmaceuticals or energy have lobbying groups that represent their interests in both major political parties, but the Republicans especially; the economic and political situation might get outside their control of politicians like Obama suddenly started exercising political and legal agency that got in the way of plans or policies they have spent tens and hundreds of billions of dollars over the decades to make happen. Therefore, they request the Republicans to resist Obama and ensure that he remains manageable and pliable to their needs; the health care industry did this to Obama during health care reform by telling Democrats under their influence to fight for a plan that served the needs of the insurance lobby, rather than

    When you're up against that kind of money, there are two choices: buy them out or destroy them. Neither is really an option for Obama, so he has to endure them.
    1. Seriously? I think Bush accomplished going to war with Iraq and Afghanistan with bipartisan cooperation, among other smaller things. That's QUITE an accomplishment, wouldn't you say? HOW on earth did he manage that?

    Wrong, wrong, WRONG!!! The President works for US! Not the other way around. If I have questions of MY president, I expect him to show ME some respect. He is the elected official who works for me, not the other way around bud.

    2. The correct decision is to NEVER negotiate with terrorists and put a PRICE on the head of Americans, soldiers or civilians. We go in, and we TAKE them back.

    3. And AGAIN, other presidents have managed to come to compromise and do things with bipartisan cooperation.

    Of course we have problems with lobbyists, this is not breaking news!!

    So, all of this to argue that Obama IS a good president? What exactly IS your point anyway?

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    Re: Has Obama been a good President?

    Quote Originally Posted by Anthony60 View Post
    Well, Obama really never had a chance at being a good, or even mediocre President. He was doomed from the beginning. The man simply is not qualified to be POTUS.

    Whatever agenda he has, destroy the fundamentals and change this country, or look to the Constitution and support it's protections of our freedoms, he was destined to fail. He was a community organizer that just doesn't have the required experience to run a country. It is beyond me how those that voted for him did not realize that they were putting a novice in office. If you set up things to fail, you have no business complaining about it.

    Plus, he came into a situation that was way, way over his head. The economy was in trouble, Bush and Congress went the wrong way, and he just put his foot on the gas pedal with the debt. The sad thing is, there was a template to follow which worked in the past.

    After the disastrous Carter Presidency, Reagan was able to guide the country to prosperity. Obama did the exact opposite. He had the solution sitting right in front of him and couldn't see it. That is what a novice does.
    Good points.

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    Re: Has Obama been a good President?

    Quote Originally Posted by Kobie View Post
    The economy is exponentially better than it was in his first few months, which he really can't be blamed for.
    However he can be blamed for how long it has taken to recover and for how many people are still out of work(Many more then the present unemployment figures show).

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    Re: Has Obama been a good President?

    Quote Originally Posted by ObamacareFail View Post
    However he can be blamed for how long it has taken to recover and for how many people are still out of work(Many more then the present unemployment figures show).
    Yes, those poor people, apparently they don't count.

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    Re: Has Obama been a good President?

    Quote Originally Posted by ChrisL View Post
    Sure, but the question is about Obama. I never claimed he was different from any other president, just that he was a disappointment because he promised that he would be different.
    Yes...it was Obama who campaign on the concept that "We are not red states or blue states....We are the united states". Personally I never believed that he meant it. However the message took with many independants and the youth vote. He has lost bot of those groups since.

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