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    Re: Has Obama been a good President?

    Quote Originally Posted by Morality Games View Post
    1. No, it doesn't. I promise you it doesn't, and that in the real world of real power and real politics that it never could. Despite what the media tells you, the dramas and personalities of politics have almost nothing to do with the realities of power. I wouldn't lie about that.

    2. There are no good options, either in terms of America's own safety and Obama's personal political interests. Obama simply chose one; it didn't really matter which because they all sucked completely.

    (3) Then you aren't paying attention, because every Republican from Capital Hill the to the meanest rural small town dishes and out and returns ideological arrogance three-fold. The entire economy of right-wing opinion pundit entertainment relies and depends on the arrogance of the core personalities.
    1. Lol. The media? I've seen it myself, thank you very much. I believe it most certainly does. Obama is dismissive towards anyone who disagrees with him. Do you remember the Joe the Plumber fiasco? There is an example of him treating a CITIZEN with extreme arrogance and dismissal. That is wrong. I've never seen such arrogance on display in my life from a sitting president. There are other examples too that I can come up with if I have to.
    2. This is nothing but making excuses for a terrible decision IMO.
    3. Of course, and as I have stated NUMEROUS times, for ME a GOOD president would be able to overcome these barriers and get things accomplished in a bipartisan manner. So you can understand why I don't think he is a good president.

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    Re: Has Obama been a good President?

    Quote Originally Posted by Amadeus View Post
    Not sure what you mean. Obama came in with an agenda to implement Republican-based ideas for healthcare reform, rejecting the liberals' pleas for socialized medicine. When Bohener negotiated with the president, he generally got most of what he wanted for the GOP. On national security, Obama continued with much of the same policies as the previous administration.
    This is not true at all. The republicans, and a large portion of America, rejected Obamacare.

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    Re: Has Obama been a good President?

    Quote Originally Posted by ChrisL View Post
    This is not true at all. The republicans, and a large portion of America, rejected Obamacare.
    I understand that they rejected their own health care ideas when Obama decided to implement them. That's was the name of the game. If Obama is for it, they are against it.

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    Re: Has Obama been a good President?

    Quote Originally Posted by Kobie View Post
    I'll consider the goalposts moved.

    Campaign slogans CAN be based on a promise; that does not mean that the slogan IS the promise.

    I have explained the difference several times.
    I understand your point, have since you first said it, and your point is incorrect. Several attempts at explanation do not automatically equate to correct premise.

    Though now it seems you're backtracking and accepting that a slogan and promise can be one and the same.
    If you claim sexual harassment to be wrong, yet you defend anyone on your side for any reason,
    then you are a hypocrite and everything you say on the matter is just babble.

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    Re: Has Obama been a good President?

    Quote Originally Posted by Amadeus View Post
    I understand that they rejected their own health care ideas when Obama decided to implement them. That's was the name of the game. If Obama is for it, they are against it.
    When was tossing out all actuarial health risk factors (except for age and tobacco use) their idea?
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    Therefore all progress depends on the unreasonable man.” ― George Bernard Shaw, Man and Superman

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    Re: Has Obama been a good President?

    Quote Originally Posted by ttwtt78640 View Post
    When was tossing out all actuarial health risk factors (except for age and tobacco use) their idea?
    The major point of opposition with Obamacare was the personal mandate, a wholly Republican concept designed to enforce personal responsibility.

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    Re: Has Obama been a good President?

    Quote Originally Posted by Amadeus View Post
    The major point of opposition with Obamacare was the personal mandate, a wholly Republican concept designed to enforce personal responsibility.
    Wrong. The major point of PPACA opposition was the complete federal control of "private" medical care insurance policy content. Even if you like your plan then you must kiss it goodbye and replace it with a federally approved plan was the reality yet not the promising sales slogan used.
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    Re: Has Obama been a good President?

    Quote Originally Posted by Amadeus View Post
    I understand that they rejected their own health care ideas when Obama decided to implement them. That's was the name of the game. If Obama is for it, they are against it.
    The other side of the coin is true also. Actually the idea of the ACA can be traced back to JFK, private insurance vs. government run for medicare.
    This Reform Party member thinks it is high past time that we start electing Americans to congress and the presidency who put America first and their political party further down the line. But for way too long we have been electing Republicans and Democrats who happen to be Americans instead of Americans who happen to be Republicans and Democrats.

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    Re: Has Obama been a good President?

    Quote Originally Posted by ChrisL View Post
    1. Lol. The media? I've seen it myself, thank you very much. I believe it most certainly does. Obama is dismissive towards anyone who disagrees with him. Do you remember the Joe the Plumber fiasco? There is an example of him treating a CITIZEN with extreme arrogance and dismissal. That is wrong. I've never seen such arrogance on display in my life from a sitting president. There are other examples too that I can come up with if I have to.
    2. This is nothing but making excuses for a terrible decision IMO.
    3. Of course, and as I have stated NUMEROUS times, for ME a GOOD president would be able to overcome these barriers and get things accomplished in a bipartisan manner. So you can understand why I don't think he is a good president.
    (1) Not sure what you expect. When Bush was challenged on the wisdom of his policies, he angrily and famously declared, "I am the decider." And he was correct to do so then, as Obama was with Joe the Plumber; in a functioning democratic society, every single citizen is morally obligated to show great respect and deference to the elected leader by virtue of the election. If they don't, then the leader can't work, and people stop believing in democracy.

    (2) Then you'll be able to explain in very clear terms what the obviously correct decision was, the one that Obama missed, although I promise, there's nothing you can say that I can't point out the flaws; Obama has thousands of political analysts and experts to tell him the right thing to do and weigh the positive and negative aspects of each decision. If they couldn't collectively come up with a better, problem free solution, it is unlikely any one this board will do better.

    (3) You might as well say Obama should breathe and space fly to the moon like Supermen. The *only way* to overcome partisan dysfunction is by making it more worthwhile for the person who opposes you to cooperate with you instead. That, or destroying them and eradicating or absorbing their power base for yourself. Neither the Obama or the Democrats have *anything* that could possibly sway the Republicans to cooperate with them for 1000 reasons; the first and most important is that it makes the Democrats *look better* than the Republicans that a Democratic president was able unify a divisive Washington. That single reason by itself is good enough reason for no Republican to ever cooperate with Obama if they can possibly avoid it. Then there are 999+ nearly valid reasons, all rooted in, again, the realities of power.

    One aspect of that reality is corporate special interest. Huge industries like pharmaceuticals or energy have lobbying groups that represent their interests in both major political parties, but the Republicans especially; the economic and political situation might get outside their control of politicians like Obama suddenly started exercising political and legal agency that got in the way of plans or policies they have spent tens and hundreds of billions of dollars over the decades to make happen. Therefore, they request the Republicans to resist Obama and ensure that he remains manageable and pliable to their needs; the health care industry did this to Obama during health care reform by telling Democrats under their influence to fight for a plan that served the needs of the insurance lobby, rather than

    When you're up against that kind of money, there are two choices: buy them out or destroy them. Neither is really an option for Obama, so he has to endure them.
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    Re: Has Obama been a good President?

    Well, Obama really never had a chance at being a good, or even mediocre President. He was doomed from the beginning. The man simply is not qualified to be POTUS.

    Whatever agenda he has, destroy the fundamentals and change this country, or look to the Constitution and support it's protections of our freedoms, he was destined to fail. He was a community organizer that just doesn't have the required experience to run a country. It is beyond me how those that voted for him did not realize that they were putting a novice in office. If you set up things to fail, you have no business complaining about it.

    Plus, he came into a situation that was way, way over his head. The economy was in trouble, Bush and Congress went the wrong way, and he just put his foot on the gas pedal with the debt. The sad thing is, there was a template to follow which worked in the past.

    After the disastrous Carter Presidency, Reagan was able to guide the country to prosperity. Obama did the exact opposite. He had the solution sitting right in front of him and couldn't see it. That is what a novice does.
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