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    Re: Has Obama been a good President?

    Quote Originally Posted by Mr.Nick View Post
    enplane kobie, what is your boggle with Bush and not Obama?
    They're not much different. My biggest issue with Bush was Iraq. My biggest issue with Obama has been surveillance and escalation in Afghanistan.
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    Re: Has Obama been a good President?

    Quote Originally Posted by Kobie View Post
    They're not much different. My biggest issue with Bush was Iraq. My biggest issue with Obama has been surveillance and escalation in Afghanistan.
    Agreed, except both for the surveillance.

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    Re: Has Obama been a good President?

    Quote Originally Posted by Boo Radley View Post
    Agreed, except both for the surveillance.
    Fair enough. I certainly have other criticisms as well as compliments for both Presidents, but those are the issues that stick in my craw the most.
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    Re: Has Obama been a good President?

    Quote Originally Posted by Kobie View Post
    By that rationale, if someone didn't like Ike, they could say that Eisenhower violated a campaign promise.

    "Hope and Change" is not a campaign promise. Actual campaign promises are promises.
    No. You're grasping.

    While "hope" is nebulous, "change" is definable and specific.

    2008 Barack Obama Convention Speech Transcript - Democratic National Convention Speech Transcripts - Zimbio

    From 2008 Barack Obama Convention Speech:
    The fundamentals we use to measure economic strength are whether we are living up to that fundamental promise that has made this country great - a promise that is the only reason I am standing here tonight."

    "That's the promise we need to keep. That's the change we need right now. So let me spell out exactly what that change would mean if I am president.

    Change means a tax code that doesn't reward the lobbyists who wrote it, but the American workers and small businesses who deserve it.
    Call me crazy, but sure sounds like his slogan of change was intended to be taken literally.

    "I Like Ike" wasn't about anything he would do, and it especially had no connotation whatsoever with mind control regarding what or who other people like or don't like.
    If you claim sexual harassment to be wrong, yet you defend anyone on your side for any reason,
    then you are a hypocrite and everything you say on the matter is just babble.

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    Re: Has Obama been a good President?

    Quote Originally Posted by radcen View Post
    No. You're grasping.

    While "hope" is nebulous, "change" is definable and specific.


    Call me crazy, but sure sounds like his slogan of change was intended to be taken literally.

    "I Like Ike" wasn't about anything he would do, and it especially had no connotation whatsoever with mind control regarding what or who other people like or don't like.
    Yes, and when Obama starts delving into specifics, those are campaign promises. A bumper sticker slogan is not a promise.
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    Re: Has Obama been a good President?

    Quote Originally Posted by Kobie View Post
    Yes, and when Obama starts delving into specifics, those are campaign promises. A bumper sticker slogan is not a promise.
    If it says the same thing, it is. They're his words and he specifically used them as a promise. The slogan was approved by him. No disassociation possible.

    Another difference between "Hope and Change" and "I Like Ike": Ike never promised or hinted or suggestion that he would make you like him. Obama specifically promised change.
    If you claim sexual harassment to be wrong, yet you defend anyone on your side for any reason,
    then you are a hypocrite and everything you say on the matter is just babble.

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    Re: Has Obama been a good President?

    Quote Originally Posted by radcen View Post
    If it says the same thing, it is. They're his words and he specifically used them as a promise. The slogan was approved by him. No disassociation possible.

    Another difference between "Hope and Change" and "I Like Ike": Ike never promised or hinted or suggestion that he would make you like him. Obama specifically promised change.
    Well, I have better things to do than continue to argue about it. Keep yelling at bumper stickers.
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    Re: Has Obama been a good President?

    Quote Originally Posted by Kobie View Post
    Well, I have better things to do than continue to argue about it. Keep yelling at bumper stickers.
    There's not much that can be said that either of us hasn't already said, but I do have a question: Why can't a campaign slogan be based on a literal promise? What makes a slogan magically excepted from literal meaning?
    If you claim sexual harassment to be wrong, yet you defend anyone on your side for any reason,
    then you are a hypocrite and everything you say on the matter is just babble.

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    Re: Has Obama been a good President?

    Quote Originally Posted by Kobie View Post
    They're not much different. My biggest issue with Bush was Iraq. My biggest issue with Obama has been surveillance and escalation in Afghanistan.
    If you haven't noticed Obama has absolutely abused the Patriot Act to spy on civilians and absolutely circumvented the Patriot Act and used the powers that be to spy on our own people - not on suspected terrorist threats but anyone who owns a gun.

    Obama is no better than Adolph Hitler with his agenda.

    And it doesn't take a republican. liberal, progressive, libertarian etc that if they open their eyes and are aware they will realize they are having their civil liberties abused - especially the right the privacy..... And if I have to file a lawsuit to protect US citizens from being spied on from a day-to-day basis I will,

    Obama is a ****ing spy - what his intent is is up for grabs but as a libertarian I am highly concerned - and I highly doubt the ACLU would have any interest in this case basically I'm a libertarian.

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    Re: Has Obama been a good President?

    *facepalm*
    If you claim sexual harassment to be wrong, yet you defend anyone on your side for any reason,
    then you are a hypocrite and everything you say on the matter is just babble.

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