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    Re: Has Obama been a good President?

    Quote Originally Posted by Kobie View Post
    NO. THEY ARE NOT THE SAME ****ING THING.

    "Hope and Change." Campaign slogan. Bumper-sticker rhetoric. Just like "I Like Ike" (Eisenhower, 1952) or "It's Time To Change America" (Clinton, 1992).

    "I'll be transparent." Campaign promise. One he did not live up to.
    No, not necessarily. A slogan *can be* innocuous, yes, as "I Like Ike" was. All it was was a way to keep Ike's name relevant, and all it meant was a person indicating their support of the candidate, nothing more. A slogan such as "Hope and Change" has meaning, and is more of a promise. Words have meaning regardless of whether they're in a speech or on a bumper sticker.
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    Re: Has Obama been a good President?

    Quote Originally Posted by radcen View Post
    No, not necessarily. A slogan *can be* innocuous, yes, as "I Like Ike" was. All it was was a way to keep Ike's name relevant, and all it meant was a person indicating their support of the candidate, nothing more. A slogan such as "Hope and Change" has meaning, and is more of a promise. Words have meaning regardless of whether they're in a speech or on a bumper sticker.
    Why is he E-yelling at you anyway? Are some of these people SO invested in Obama? He's just another crappy politician, and people need to come to terms with that.

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    Re: Has Obama been a good President?

    Quote Originally Posted by ChrisL View Post
    Stop posting silly things then. You know VERY WELL what we are referring to when we say "hope and change." There was other "rhetoric" that went along with that "campaign slogan."
    Obama is all rhetoric.

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    Re: Has Obama been a good President?

    Quote Originally Posted by ChrisL View Post
    Stop posting silly things then. You know VERY WELL what we are referring to when we say "hope and change." There was other "rhetoric" that went along with that "campaign slogan."
    OK, I'll explain it AGAIN.

    "Hope and Change" is a SLOGAN. It looks nice on a t-shirt, or a bumper sticker, or a campaign banner.

    "I'll run the most transparent administration in history" or "I'll close Guantanamo Bay" is a campaign PROMISE. Ones he didn't live up to. How is this not clear?
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    Re: Has Obama been a good President?

    Quote Originally Posted by US Conservative View Post
    Obama is all rhetoric.
    And hype apparently.

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    Re: Has Obama been a good President?

    Quote Originally Posted by ChrisL View Post
    Why is he E-yelling at you anyway? Are some of these people SO invested in Obama? He's just another crappy politician, and people need to come to terms with that.
    Kobie has quite a bit of emotional investment in this president.

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    Re: Has Obama been a good President?

    Quote Originally Posted by Kobie View Post
    OK, I'll explain it AGAIN.

    "Hope and Change" is a SLOGAN. It looks nice on a t-shirt, or a bumper sticker, or a campaign banner.

    "I'll run the most transparent administration in history" or "I'll close Guantanamo Bay" is a campaign PROMISE. Ones he didn't live up to. How is this not clear?
    Goodness, all of those things are included in the "hope and change" speeches he made. Like you've been told, words have meaning. He promised to "change" things, did he not?

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    Re: Has Obama been a good President?

    Quote Originally Posted by radcen View Post
    Don't disagree. The lack of cooperation is not entirely his fault as the Reps are largely to blame, but at the same time I'm not so sure he's an easy person to work with, either.
    He could also stand to quit whining about it as much as he does. It's not like the GOP is going to change its tactics because Obama publicly complains about it, and it just makes him look like a baby.
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    Re: Has Obama been a good President?

    Quote Originally Posted by radcen View Post
    No, not necessarily. A slogan *can be* innocuous, yes, as "I Like Ike" was. All it was was a way to keep Ike's name relevant, and all it meant was a person indicating their support of the candidate, nothing more. A slogan such as "Hope and Change" has meaning, and is more of a promise. Words have meaning regardless of whether they're in a speech or on a bumper sticker.
    By that rationale, if someone didn't like Ike, they could say that Eisenhower violated a campaign promise.

    "Hope and Change" is not a campaign promise. Actual campaign promises are promises.
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    Re: Has Obama been a good President?

    Quote Originally Posted by ChrisL View Post
    Goodness, all of those things are included in the "hope and change" speeches he made. Like you've been told, words have meaning. He promised to "change" things, did he not?
    He DID "change" things, did he not? Just maybe not the things each specific voter wanted "changed."

    By this absurd rationale, even one broken campaign promise means the overall "Hope and Change" SLOGAN was somehow "broken." I put that in quotes because you can't break a campaign slogan. I seriously cannot understand why you're having so much trouble differentiating between the two. This has nothing to do with being "invested in Obama," as you so absurdly claimed earlier in the thread. This has to do with understanding the fundamental difference between types of political rhetoric.

    Quote Originally Posted by radcen View Post
    No, not necessarily. A slogan *can be* innocuous, yes, as "I Like Ike" was. All it was was a way to keep Ike's name relevant, and all it meant was a person indicating their support of the candidate, nothing more. A slogan such as "Hope and Change" has meaning, and is more of a promise. Words have meaning regardless of whether they're in a speech or on a bumper sticker.
    Yes, words have meaning. And "slogan" and "promise" do not mean the same thing.
    Freedom of speech is not freedom from criticism.

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