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Why am I insensitive or racist if I find this wrong?[W:54]

Do you assume ppl are racist if they don't support illegal immigration ?

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More immigrant kids arrive in Arizona

"The federal government on Friday began sending hundreds of unaccompanied children caught crossing the border illegally in Texas to a holding center in Nogales, Ariz., further straining relations with Gov. Jan Brewer, who was already angry over the recent release of hundreds of undocumented families at bus stations in Phoenix and Tucson."
 
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People support illegal immigration?
 
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I was told that we should be donating supplies to them b/c they are in need of hygiene products. Some are complaining b/c of the conditions at the detention center. Nobody told them to come.We already have identity fraud here, and tapped out resources, but if we state these facts, we're insensitive.
 
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herenow1 said:
I was told that we should be donating supplies to them b/c they are in need of hygiene products. Some are complaining b/c of the conditions at the detention center. Nobody told them to come.We already have identity fraud here, and tapped out resources, but if we state these facts, we're insensitive.
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Says who? Seems your problem might be being oversensitive.
 
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herenow1 said:
More immigrant kids arrive in Arizona

"The federal government on Friday began sending hundreds of unaccompanied children caught crossing the border illegally in Texas to a holding center in Nogales, Ariz., further straining relations with Gov. Jan Brewer, who was already angry over the recent release of hundreds of undocumented families at bus stations in Phoenix and Tucson."
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One doesn't have be racist to be against illegal immigration...but many (or perhaps most) who are the most vocal against illegal immigration are racist at least to some extent.

That said, illegal immigration is illegal...but there's only one way to fix it - and that's not with a wall or cracking down on employers or lining the border with armed troops or forcing illegal immigrants (and especially their children) to hide in the shadows all their lives. The ONLY way to stop illegal immigration is to somehow make Mexico's economy successful (and safe) to the point to where the people no longer feel the need to come here to feed their families. Otherwise, they will always find a way here, wall or no wall. The proof lay in the fact that during the Great Recession and the two years or so afterwards, we had zero net illegal immigration - just as many were going home as were coming here.

That's the only way. Period.

Do that, and there will be no need to build a taxpayer-funded wall or line the border with taxpayer-funded troops or both. But what is to be done with the ones that are already here, who are living peaceful and productive lives, who ARE paying taxes and are NOT presenting a danger to society? Give them a pathway to citizenship. Tearing families apart is not the American way.

Build up Mexico's economy to where the people no longer feel the need to flee - that's the only way to fix illegal immigration. Period.
 
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herenow1 said:
I was told that we should be donating supplies to them b/c they are in need of hygiene products..
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They wouldn't know what to do with hygien products. Haven't you ever used a toilet in Mexico ?
 
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herenow1 said:
I was told that we should be donating supplies to them b/c they are in need of hygiene products. Some are complaining b/c of the conditions at the detention center. Nobody told them to come.We already have identity fraud here, and tapped out resources, but if we state these facts, we're insensitive.
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Identity fraud doesn't work the way you think it does. You're more likely to be robbed of your identity by an apple pie eating American than a Mexican. As a matter of fact, identity theft is of no use to the overwhelming majority of illegal immigrants. If anything, an illegal immigrant stealing your identity wouldn't benefit them in the long run. As technology becomes more widely used to verify identities, an illegal immigrant who steals your identity would be paying taxes towards your retirement and not theirs. If anything, we should pass a law that REQUIRES the SSA to notify citizens when their SSN is being used in multiple places, E-Verify should be made mandatory in all 50 states and punished by jailtime and states should give their local law enforcement agencies (PD) the power to fine companies not complying.
 
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Because liberals try to discourage people from talking about things by throwing around words like "racist" and "sexist". I entirely support stopping all illegal immigration by any means necessary, but it doesn't matter where the illegals are coming from, I don't care what their skin color is, I don't want any of them here at all. It's not racist, it's realistic.
 
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herenow1 said:
More immigrant kids arrive in Arizona

"The federal government on Friday began sending hundreds of unaccompanied children caught crossing the border illegally in Texas to a holding center in Nogales, Ariz., further straining relations with Gov. Jan Brewer, who was already angry over the recent release of hundreds of undocumented families at bus stations in Phoenix and Tucson."
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Anyone claiming someone is a racist or xenophobe for not supporting illegal immigration is merely resorting to the race card because their arguments for supporting illegal immigration are weak. Making false claims of racist or xenophobia is a common tactic of the pro-illegals side.
 
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APACHERAT said:
They wouldn't know what to do with hygien products. Haven't you ever used a toilet in Mexico ?
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you aren't racist if you oppose illegal immigration. You might be if your reaction to giving kids hygiene products is a post like this.
 
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Glen Contrarian said:
One doesn't have be racist to be against illegal immigration...but many (or perhaps most) who are the most vocal against illegal immigration are racist at least to some extent.

That said, illegal immigration is illegal...but there's only one way to fix it - and that's not with a wall or cracking down on employers or lining the border with armed troops or forcing illegal immigrants (and especially their children) to hide in the shadows all their lives. The ONLY way to stop illegal immigration is to somehow make Mexico's economy successful (and safe) to the point to where the people no longer feel the need to come here to feed their families. Otherwise, they will always find a way here, wall or no wall. The proof lay in the fact that during the Great Recession and the two years or so afterwards, we had zero net illegal immigration - just as many were going home as were coming here.

That's the only way. Period.

Do that, and there will be no need to build a taxpayer-funded wall or line the border with taxpayer-funded troops or both. But what is to be done with the ones that are already here, who are living peaceful and productive lives, who ARE paying taxes and are NOT presenting a danger to society? Give them a pathway to citizenship. Tearing families apart is not the American way.

Build up Mexico's economy to where the people no longer feel the need to flee - that's the only way to fix illegal immigration. Period.
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Wrong. That exact line of BS, virtually identical propaganda is how the American government sold NAFTA to the American people. You won't be able to float that nonsense a second time.
 
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Hatuey said:
Identity fraud doesn't work the way you think it does. You're more likely to be robbed of your identity by an apple pie eating American than a Mexican. As a matter of fact, identity theft is of no use to the overwhelming majority of illegal immigrants. If anything, an illegal immigrant stealing your identity wouldn't benefit them in the long run. As technology becomes more widely used to verify identities, an illegal immigrant who steals your identity would be paying taxes towards your retirement and not theirs. If anything, we should pass a law that REQUIRES the SSA to notify citizens when their SSN is being used in multiple places, E-Verify should be made mandatory in all 50 states and punished by jailtime and states should give their local law enforcement agencies (PD) the power to fine companies not complying.
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I think you would be surprised just how much identity theft and fraud is used among the illegal alien population. And the IRS refuses to report or inform the people who's identities are stolen that their SSN's are being used in multiple places.

Center for Immigration Studies ~ Illegal, but Not Undocumented

I do agree however that e-verify should be mandatory, that the IRS should be made to inform people when their SSN's are being used in multiple places, and that companies should be fined heavily with non-compliance.
 
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Glen Contrarian said:
One doesn't have be racist to be against illegal immigration...but many (or perhaps most) who are the most vocal against illegal immigration are racist at least to some extent.

That said, illegal immigration is illegal...but there's only one way to fix it - and that's not with a wall or cracking down on employers or lining the border with armed troops or forcing illegal immigrants (and especially their children) to hide in the shadows all their lives. The ONLY way to stop illegal immigration is to somehow make Mexico's economy successful (and safe) to the point to where the people no longer feel the need to come here to feed their families. Otherwise, they will always find a way here, wall or no wall. The proof lay in the fact that during the Great Recession and the two years or so afterwards, we had zero net illegal immigration - just as many were going home as were coming here.

That's the only way. Period.

Do that, and there will be no need to build a taxpayer-funded wall or line the border with taxpayer-funded troops or both. But what is to be done with the ones that are already here, who are living peaceful and productive lives, who ARE paying taxes and are NOT presenting a danger to society? Give them a pathway to citizenship. Tearing families apart is not the American way.

Build up Mexico's economy to where the people no longer feel the need to flee - that's the only way to fix illegal immigration. Period.
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1: Illegal aliens come from more countries than just Mexico. You would have to improve every 3rd world countries economy to do what you suggest to stop or at least drastically slow illegal immigration. An impossible task and one which we do not have the resources to do.

2: Many countries that actually enforce their illegal immigration laws have far less of a problem than we do...despite the fact that their economies are just as good, or better than ours.
 
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This was a conversation that was off the forums that sparked this. Yes it's sad that ppl live in poor conditions, but they also need to come here legally. Dropping off thousands of illegal immigrants( and it's still happening) and telling us to deal with it is not the solution! Illegal immigrants having the entitlement.... "What are you going to give us now that we're here"-attitude doesn't fly either!
 
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Sababa said:
you aren't racist if you oppose illegal immigration. You might be if your reaction to giving kids hygiene products is a post like this.
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These aren't my kids.
These aren't Americas kids.
These kids aren't my problem or should they become America's problem.

These kids aren't good for America.

The Obama administration is openly violating the law.
Catch and release is against the law.
 
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Kal'Stang said:
Lots of people do. Just look at all the parades that have been held that favor illegal aliens.
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Are you sure that don't support immigration reform? That would be something completely different.
 
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**** no on both accounts.

I've been saying this for a while now: we need to Israelize the Southern Border.
 
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Redress said:
Are you sure that don't support immigration reform? That would be something completely different.
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When they talk of immigration reform they are really talking about amnesty. Something that has been done twice now. Once by Reagan in '86 and again by Obama with young illegal aliens. Both times we have seen a surge of illegal immigration. In '86 there were 3 million illegal aliens. Today there are roughly 12-20 million (depending on source). Obama gave young illegal aliens amnesty in 2012, we went from 6k young illegal aliens per year entering the country in 2011 to 60k young illegal aliens today. A factor of 10 increase.

So no, "immigration reform" is the same as amnesty, which supports coming to this country illegally.
 
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herenow1 said:
More immigrant kids arrive in Arizona

"The federal government on Friday began sending hundreds of unaccompanied children caught crossing the border illegally in Texas to a holding center in Nogales, Ariz., further straining relations with Gov. Jan Brewer, who was already angry over the recent release of hundreds of undocumented families at bus stations in Phoenix and Tucson."
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Do you assume ppl are racist if they don't support illegal immigration ?

no of course not that would be retarded not to mention what does immigration have to do with race? illegal immigrants come in all races.

also who supports ILLEGAL immigration?
 
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Kal'Stang said:
When they talk of immigration reform they are really talking about amnesty. Something that has been done twice now. Once by Reagan in '86 and again by Obama with young illegal aliens. Both times we have seen a surge of illegal immigration. In '86 there were 3 million illegal aliens. Today there are roughly 12-20 million (depending on source). Obama gave young illegal aliens amnesty in 2012, we went from 6k young illegal aliens per year entering the country in 2011 to 60k young illegal aliens today. A factor of 10 increase.

So no, "immigration reform" is the same as amnesty, which supports coming to this country illegally.
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No, that is only true if you strictly support your premise. If people do not support your premise but support immigration reform, they are not supporting illegal immigration. That is simply your spin.
 
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Kal'Stang said:
I think you would be surprised just how much identity theft and fraud is used among the illegal alien population. And the IRS refuses to report or inform the people who's identities are stolen that their SSN's are being used in multiple places.

Center for Immigration Studies ~ Illegal, but Not Undocumented

I do agree however that e-verify should be mandatory, that the IRS should be made to inform people when their SSN's are being used in multiple places, and that companies should be fined heavily with non-compliance.
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I wouldn't put stock in source. Look at this claim:

Illegal, but Not Undocumented | Center for Immigration Studies

Children are prime targets. In Arizona, it is estimated that over one million children are victims of identity theft. In Utah, 1,626 companies were found to be paying wages to the SSNs of children on public assistance under the age of 13. These individuals suffer very real and very serious consequences in their lives.
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There are about 1,500,000 kids in Arizona (US census). That would mean that according to that source anywhere from 60% to 70% of Arizona's kids would be victims of identity theft. All that ID theft an no action by either the state or federal government?

Now read this one:

Employers must do their part. They can ensure that they have a legal workforce by using a combination of the federal government’s E-Verify and Social Security Number Verification Service systems and by signing up for the federal government’s IMAGE program or privately conducted audits.
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And then read this one:

The Social Security Administration and Internal Revenue Service facilitate illegal immigrant-driven identity theft. Both turn a blind eye to massive SSN fraud and take no action to stop it. The Social Security Administration assigns SSNs to new-born infants that are being used illegally. The IRS demands that victims pay taxes on wages earned by illegal aliens using their stolen SSNs, while taking no action to stop the identity theft.
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The E-Verify program was created BY the DHS AND the IRS, so they are basically stating that even though they are pushing employers to sign up for a program created by the IRS, the IRS isn't doing enough to stop illegal immigration! Well, what exactly is the IRS supposed to do? Send armed law enforcement agents to employers who won't comply with the law? Create a report button a-la-debate politics? Then the nonstop calls of Big Brother from Libertarians would never stop. In short, it's damned if you do for the IRS, damned if you don't. If they create a system that essentially made it impossible to hire illegal immigrants, they'd be forced to

1) Make E-Verify mandatory for all employers, which would raise the cost of hiring itself -and would be attacked by small business owners and Democrats.
2) Send employees to check on ALL businesses (remember, most illegal immigrants work for small business owners) and require even more funding than today. This sounds great until you remember that the GOP wants to gut the IRS and in some cases even shut it down.
3) Consolidate 3 agencies into one: ICE, IRS and SSA and create a single agency with the power to tax, deal with immigration and SS. That would make the heads of most 17 year old Libertarians explode. As much as I like it, it's still unfeasible.

So... what is the IRS supposed to do according to the CIS?
 
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Kal'Stang said:
When they talk of immigration reform they are really talking about amnesty. Something that has been done twice now. Once by Reagan in '86 and again by Obama with young illegal aliens. Both times we have seen a surge of illegal immigration. In '86 there were 3 million illegal aliens. Today there are roughly 12-20 million (depending on source). Obama gave young illegal aliens amnesty in 2012, we went from 6k young illegal aliens per year entering the country in 2011 to 60k young illegal aliens today. A factor of 10 increase.

So no, "immigration reform" is the same as amnesty, which supports coming to this country illegally.
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Actually there's been SEVEN AMNESTIES, The Simpmson-Messoli Act aka the first amnesty of rewarding law breakers in 1986. And SIX more amnesties snuck through Congress during the Clinton administration.

Obama's amnesties aren't amnesties because only Congress can pass an immigration amnesty and Congress is the only branch of government that can write immigration laws or policies and under the oath that a President took, by law he's required to enforce those laws passed by Congress or step down and let some one who's competent to enforce the laws of the land.

Since the passing of the Immigration and Reform Control Act (IRCA), 6 million illegal aliens have received amnesty in the United States. The IRCA Amnesty was supposed to "wipe the slate clean" and instead it's lead to the current situation of 12-20 million illegal aliens living in the country.



https://www.numbersusa.com/content/learn/illegal-immigration/seven-amnesties-passed-congress.html
 
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