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    Re: Why am I insensitive or racist if I find this wrong?

    Quote Originally Posted by joG View Post
    As they become wealthier they will become cleaner. I watched that happen in Europe.
    Is that why European women no longer have hairy legs and armpits ?

    You can now find deodorant on the shelfs in the markets in Europe.

    I haven't been to Paris in some years but do they now have cleaners and laundromats today ?

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    Re: Why am I insensitive or racist if I find this wrong?

    Quote Originally Posted by ecofarm View Post
    What kind of claim is this?
    http://www.sca.com/Documents/.../SCA...;CachedSimilar


    “Stains” on their self-discipline: Public health, hygiene, and the disciplining of undocumented immigrant parents in the nation's internal borderlands

    Abstract.Histories of the role of public health in nation building have revealed the centrality of hygiene to eugenic mechanisms of racial exclusion in the turn-of-the-20th-century United States, yet little scholarship has examined its role in the present day. Through ethnography in a Mexican migrant farmworking community in California's Central Valley, we explore the role of oral-hygiene campaigns in racializing Mexican immigrant parents and shaping the substance of their citizenship. Public health officials perceive migrant farmworkers' children's oral disease as a “stain of backwardness,” amplifying Mexican immigrants' status as “aliens.” We suggest, however, that the recent concern with Mexican immigrant children's oral health blends classic eugenic concerns in public health with neoliberal concerns regarding different immigrant groups' capacity for self-governance.

    Keywords: governmentality, citizenship, public health, eugenics, Mexican immigrants, hygiene, United States
    “Stains” on their self-discipline: Public health, hygiene, and the disciplining of undocumented immigrant parents in the nation's internal borderlands

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    Re: Why am I insensitive or racist if I find this wrong?

    Quote Originally Posted by APACHERAT View Post
    “Stains” on their self-discipline: Public health, hygiene, and the disciplining of undocumented immigrant parents in the nation's internal borderlands
    This is your evidence that "they don't teach hygiene in Mexico"?

    Astounding.


    The article is condemning exactly what you're doing.

    Reports of the declining fertility of white middle-class women early in the 20th century, for example, evoked the specter of the possibility of whites' “race suicide.” To some extent, these old racial concerns have been revived by current anxieties over a new demographic transition, as aging white baby boomers will be replaced by younger, largely Mexican immigrants (Myers 2007). This demographic reality has birthed a new, and equally virulent, eugenic discourse about the physical, moral, and cultural “fitness” of this second wave of immigrants for full social membership (see Huntington 2005). Thus, current demographic shifts in the United States have led to a renewal of concern with the “fitness” of immigrant populations; public health campaigns targeting immigrant hygiene exhibit old-fashioned concerns about “fitness” tinged with a new neoliberal hue.
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    Re: Why am I insensitive or racist if I find this wrong?

    Quote Originally Posted by ecofarm View Post
    This is your evidence that "they don't teach hygiene in Mexico"?

    Astounding.


    The article is condemning exactly what you're doing.
    I suppose you can always talk to elementary school teachers who teach with in the LAUSD. They were the first to bring to the attention they now have to teach personal hygiene practices to illegal alien and anchor babies in the class room. Something that was usually taught at home by American parents.

    Then there's the U.S. Border Patrol who noticed of the millions of illegal aliens caught crossing illegally into the USA, rarely does the illegal alien has a change of underwear in their belongings.

    I wont even mention the comments from prostitutes who service the illegal alien and immigrant communities in L.A.

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    Re: Why am I insensitive or racist if I find this wrong?

    Quote Originally Posted by APACHERAT View Post
    I suppose you can always talk to elementary school teachers who teach with in the LAUSD. They were the first to bring to the attention they now have to teach personal hygiene practices to illegal alien and anchor babies in the class room. Something that was usually taught at home by American parents.

    Then there's the U.S. Border Patrol who noticed of the millions of illegal aliens caught crossing illegally into the USA, rarely does the illegal alien has a change of underwear in their belongings.

    I wont even mention the comments from prostitutes who service the illegal alien and immigrant communities in L.A.

    I can't believe you're actually claiming they don't teach hygiene in Mexico. And supporting that claim with stories of illegal immigrants and those who frequent prostitutes.

    I can show you plenty of poor Americans that don't observe proper hygiene, and Americans with meth mouth that frequent prostitutes as well. Does that mean they don't teach hygiene in the US?

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    Re: Why am I insensitive or racist if I find this wrong?

    Quote Originally Posted by ecofarm View Post
    I can't believe you're actually claiming they don't teach hygiene in Mexico. And supporting that claim with stories of illegal immigrants and those who frequent prostitutes.

    I can show you plenty of poor Americans that don't observe proper hygiene, and Americans with meth mouth that frequent prostitutes as well. Does that mean they don't teach hygiene in the US?
    Well Ecofarm, I have to didi.

    Don't you have to get up in a couple of hours when you hear the cockadoodoodo and milk your cow and water your cannabis ?

    I have to get up in seven hours to watch Susan Rice making the Sunday morning political talking heads shows circuit informing Americans on who has "served with honor and distinction."

    Susan Rice is Barack Obama's national security advisor.

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    Re: Why am I insensitive or racist if I find this wrong?

    Quote Originally Posted by APACHERAT View Post
    Is that why European women no longer have hairy legs and armpits ?

    You can now find deodorant on the shelfs in the markets in Europe.

    I haven't been to Paris in some years but do they now have cleaners and laundromats today ?
    The toilets in Paris restaurants have improved and most people you will meet socially have shower now. But if laundromats and cleaners are your issue, you have not been there in a long time.

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    Re: Why am I insensitive or racist if I find this wrong?

    Quote Originally Posted by APACHERAT View Post
    Only a socialist could equate toilets with racism. ****ing unbelievable.

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    An infested toilet is seen at a tomato processing plant in Toliman, Jalisco state, Mexico on June 11, 2013.
    http://1.bp.blogspot.com/-r5G2gCttdp...Bad+toilet.jpg

    A toilet at a truckstop in Missouri.

    Wouldn't you now be offended if I said something like: 'Americans don't need hygiene products, they wouldn't even know what to do with them' thus implying that, on a whole, you're fat, disgusting excuses for human beings who can't properly take care of your personal hygiene?

    I know that I would find that offensive if you levelled that charge at me and my people, but hey, maybe we're different. Maybe you ARE a disgusting slob with no concept of hygiene, at which point I suppose it would make more sense that you'd be confused as to the use of hygiene products as well, in Mexico or otherwise.

    Have I got it right?

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    Re: Why am I insensitive or racist if I find this wrong?

    Quote Originally Posted by herenow1 View Post
    I was told that we should be donating supplies to them b/c they are in need of hygiene products. Some are complaining b/c of the conditions at the detention center. Nobody told them to come.We already have identity fraud here, and tapped out resources, but if we state these facts, we're insensitive.
    As fellow human beings, we should stop right here and think. What if...we were caught in another country under the same conditions, what would we like to have done to us? Its no different with these people, illegal or not.
    First we take care of their human needs, then we look at the legal aspect, deport them if necessary.
    If that makes me a racist, so be it.

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    Re: Why am I insensitive or racist if I find this wrong?

    Quote Originally Posted by Kal'Stang View Post
    1: Illegal aliens come from more countries than just Mexico. You would have to improve every 3rd world countries economy to do what you suggest to stop or at least drastically slow illegal immigration. An impossible task and one which we do not have the resources to do.

    2: Many countries that actually enforce their illegal immigration laws have far less of a problem than we do...despite the fact that their economies are just as good, or better than ours.
    1. When fighting a fire, you concentrate on the biggest problem first.

    2. Be careful of not comparing apples and oranges. Not only that, but we have to be careful of not shooting ourselves in the metaphorical foot in that even the very right-wing Chamber of Commerce says how important those illegal immigrants are to our economy and how we need to pass immigration reform for them - you know as well as I do how eager 'normal' Americans aren't to work those fields. Also, America has certain traditions, one of which is that we are a nation of immigrants. Those illegal immigrants, illegal though they may be, are still the tired, the poor, the wretched refuse - and all through our history we've lifted our lamp beside the golden door for them, too:

    Not like the brazen giant of Greek fame,
    With conquering limbs astride from land to land;
    Here at our sea-washed, sunset gates shall stand
    A mighty woman with a torch, whose flame
    Is the imprisoned lightning, and her name
    Mother of Exiles. From her beacon-hand
    Glows world-wide welcome; her mild eyes command
    The air-bridged harbor that twin cities frame.
    "Keep, ancient lands, your storied pomp!" cries she
    With silent lips. "Give me your tired, your poor,
    Your huddled masses yearning to breathe free,
    The wretched refuse of your teeming shore.
    Send these, the homeless, tempest-tost to me,
    I lift my lamp beside the golden door!"

    In other words, if we become so unwelcoming against those homeless, tempest-tost (especially in the face of the fact that our economy needs them), we just might lose our way as a nation. Oh, we'll still remain big and strong and mostly free...but we might no longer be what we once were, that "Mother of Exiles", the New Colossus for which that iconic poem was named, where all are truly welcome that they may breathe free at last.
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