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    Re: Why am I insensitive or racist if I find this wrong?

    Quote Originally Posted by vasuderatorrent View Post
    Once I hear people complain about illegal Canadians as an excuse to build a fence on the border, I'll change my position.

    People hate Mexicans. It has little to do with immigration and everything to do with immigration from Mexicans.
    Guess you answered the OP's poll.

    1: The majority of illegal immigration in this country comes from the US/Mexico border. Not through Canada.

    2: Illegal immigration encompasses far more than just Mexicans. It includes ALL races across ALL countries. The Mexican border is where the majority of them come through. Why not focus on the area where the majority comes from? When illegal aliens start to primarily come from Canada then we can focus on that. Until then we need to focus on where the majority is coming from. Which is the US/Mexico border.
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    Re: Why am I insensitive or racist if I find this wrong?

    Quote Originally Posted by Hatuey View Post
    God bless his alzheimer's.
    Reagan Would Not Repeat Amnesty Mistake

    >" Edwin Meese, who was Reagan’s first presidential counselor and then attorney general, addresses immigration.

    What would Ronald Reagan do? I can’t tell you how many times I have been asked that question, on virtually every issue imaginable.

    As much as we all want clarity and certainty, I usually refrain from specific answers. That’s because it is very difficult to directly translate particular political decisions to another context, in another time. The better way to answer the question—and the way President Reagan himself would approach such questions—is to understand Reagan’s principles and how they should apply in today’s politics, and review past decisions and consider what lessons they have for us.

    Immigration is one area where Reagan’s principles can guide us, and the lessons are instructive.

    I was attorney general two decades ago during the debate over what became the Immigration Reform and Control Act of 1986. President Reagan, acting on the recommendation of a bipartisan task force, supported a comprehensive approach to the problem of illegal immigration, including adjusting the status of what was then a relatively small population. Since the Immigration and Naturalization Service was then in the Department of Justice, I had the responsibility for directing the implementation of that plan.

    President Reagan set out to correct the loss of control at our borders. Border security and enforcement of immigration laws would be greatly strengthened—in particular, through sanctions against employers who hired illegal immigrants. If jobs were the attraction for illegal immigrants, then cutting off that option was crucial.

    He also agreed with the legislation in adjusting the status of immigrants—even if they had entered illegally—who were law-abiding long-term residents, many of whom had children in the United States. Illegal immigrants who could establish that they had resided in America continuously for five years would be granted temporary resident status, which could be upgraded to permanent residency after 18 months and, after another five years, to citizenship. It wasn’t automatic. They had to pay application fees, learn to speak English, understand American civics, pass a medical exam and register for military selective service. Those with convictions for a felony or three misdemeanors were ineligible.

    If this sounds familiar, it’s because these are pretty much the same provisions included in the Comprehensive Reform Act of 2006, which its supporters claim is not amnesty. In the end, slight differences in process do not change the overriding fact that the 1986 law and the recent Senate legislation both include an amnesty. The difference is that President Reagan called it for what it was.

    Lesson of 1986

    The lesson from the 1986 experience is that such an amnesty did not solve the problem. There was extensive document fraud, and the number of people applying for amnesty far exceeded projections. And there was a failure of political will to enforce new laws against employers. After a brief slowdown, illegal immigration returned to high levels and continued unabated, forming the nucleus of today’s large population of illegal aliens.

    So here we are, 20 years later, having much the same debate and being offered much the same deal.

    What would President Reagan do? For one thing, he would not repeat the mistakes of the past, including those of his own administration. He knew that secure borders are vital, and would now insist on meeting that priority first. He would seek to strengthen the enforcement of existing immigration laws. He would employ new tools—like biometric technology for identification, and cameras, sensors and satellites to monitor the border—that make enforcement and verification less onerous and more effective..."<

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    Re: Why am I insensitive or racist if I find this wrong?

    Quote Originally Posted by vasuderatorrent View Post
    Once I hear people complain about illegal Canadians as an excuse to build a fence on the border, I'll change my position.

    People hate Mexicans. It has little to do with immigration and everything to do with immigration from Mexicans.
    Even Mexicans hate being Mexicans. As a nation, Mexico has an inferiority complex and probably explains why Mexico has always been a basket case and will always be.

    They'll try to run away from their problems instead of facing their problems and fixing them.
    But they run towards El Norte and they bring their problems with them including their corrupt politics.

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    Re: Why am I insensitive or racist if I find this wrong?

    I don't automatically think they're racist although I think it's hard to argue that there are some people out there that don't support immigration purely on racist reasons. But the majority have legitimate reasons to oppose it.

    Personally, I don't really think any type of immigration should be illegal. Labeling a person illegal because they don't have a piece of paper permitting them to cross an arbitrary line in the dirt is just loony and frankly wrong. If you come here looking for work, feel free. It's called a market, and you'd be surprised how many free market advocates oppose immigration because it will "steal jobs." You don't have a right to be employed. If you want a job, you have to work for it. You have to make yourself valuable to potential employers. Besides, if you can't compete with a first generation immigrant that can barely speak English, perhaps you need to take a long hard look at the real problem. The only issue I foresee is our current welfare state, and if we nip that in the bud we should be fine.

    Oh and some food for thought, border security can almost always be turned around. One day, when we're not paying attention, border security could easily be used to keep citizens from leaving. Perhaps that's a bit far-fetched now, but from a historical perspective it's not as loony of an idea as you might like to think.

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    Re: Why am I insensitive or racist if I find this wrong?

    Quote Originally Posted by Glen Contrarian View Post
    One doesn't have be racist to be against illegal immigration...but
    but.... nobody is advocating building a wall on the Canadian border to protect us from terrorist.

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    Re: Why am I insensitive or racist if I find this wrong?

    Quote Originally Posted by APACHERAT View Post
    Even Mexicans hate being Mexicans. As a nation, Mexico has an inferiority complex and probably explains why Mexico has always been a basket case and will always be.

    They'll try to run away from their problems instead of facing their problems and fixing them.
    But they run towards El Norte and they bring their problems with them including their corrupt politics.
    and we send a army of troops after a man after they commitied a cross border raid, and violate a sovereign countries rights.

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    Re: Why am I insensitive or racist if I find this wrong?

    Quote Originally Posted by APACHERAT View Post
    Reagan Would Not Repeat Amnesty Mistake

    >" Edwin Meese, who was Reagan’s first presidential counselor and then attorney general, addresses immigration.

    What would Ronald Reagan do? I can’t tell you how many times I have been asked that question, on virtually every issue imaginable.

    As much as we all want clarity and certainty, I usually refrain from specific answers. That’s because it is very difficult to directly translate particular political decisions to another context, in another time. The better way to answer the question—and the way President Reagan himself would approach such questions—is to understand Reagan’s principles and how they should apply in today’s politics, and review past decisions and consider what lessons they have for us.

    Immigration is one area where Reagan’s principles can guide us, and the lessons are instructive.

    I was attorney general two decades ago during the debate over what became the Immigration Reform and Control Act of 1986. President Reagan, acting on the recommendation of a bipartisan task force, supported a comprehensive approach to the problem of illegal immigration, including adjusting the status of what was then a relatively small population. Since the Immigration and Naturalization Service was then in the Department of Justice, I had the responsibility for directing the implementation of that plan.

    President Reagan set out to correct the loss of control at our borders. Border security and enforcement of immigration laws would be greatly strengthened—in particular, through sanctions against employers who hired illegal immigrants. If jobs were the attraction for illegal immigrants, then cutting off that option was crucial.

    He also agreed with the legislation in adjusting the status of immigrants—even if they had entered illegally—who were law-abiding long-term residents, many of whom had children in the United States. Illegal immigrants who could establish that they had resided in America continuously for five years would be granted temporary resident status, which could be upgraded to permanent residency after 18 months and, after another five years, to citizenship. It wasn’t automatic. They had to pay application fees, learn to speak English, understand American civics, pass a medical exam and register for military selective service. Those with convictions for a felony or three misdemeanors were ineligible.

    If this sounds familiar, it’s because these are pretty much the same provisions included in the Comprehensive Reform Act of 2006, which its supporters claim is not amnesty. In the end, slight differences in process do not change the overriding fact that the 1986 law and the recent Senate legislation both include an amnesty. The difference is that President Reagan called it for what it was.

    Lesson of 1986

    The lesson from the 1986 experience is that such an amnesty did not solve the problem. There was extensive document fraud, and the number of people applying for amnesty far exceeded projections. And there was a failure of political will to enforce new laws against employers. After a brief slowdown, illegal immigration returned to high levels and continued unabated, forming the nucleus of today’s large population of illegal aliens.

    So here we are, 20 years later, having much the same debate and being offered much the same deal.

    What would President Reagan do? For one thing, he would not repeat the mistakes of the past, including those of his own administration. He knew that secure borders are vital, and would now insist on meeting that priority first. He would seek to strengthen the enforcement of existing immigration laws. He would employ new tools—like biometric technology for identification, and cameras, sensors and satellites to monitor the border—that make enforcement and verification less onerous and more effective..."<

    Continue -> Reagan Would Not Repeat Amnesty Mistake | Human Events
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    Re: Why am I insensitive or racist if I find this wrong?

    Quote Originally Posted by Hatuey View Post
    So, this guy has a crystal ball and spoke to Reagan from the grave.
    Zombie Reagan becomes more of a reality every day.

    The right wing's fetishization of Ronald Reagan keeps getting more ridiculous.
    Freedom of speech is not freedom from criticism.

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    Re: Why am I insensitive or racist if I find this wrong?

    Quote Originally Posted by Kal'Stang View Post
    Ok, seven, didn't know about those others. Either way, even you apparently agree that it has led to increased illegal immigration.

    As for Obama's EO amnesty...

    1: Obama has shown several times that he doesn't care about enforcing the laws he doesn't like and will often act regardless of the law.
    2: Obama's EO is, at its essence, an amnesty. Whether its officially declared so by Congress or not, that is what his EO boils down to.
    Obama should be tried for the laws he has already violated. The list is long.

    Impeach then have him stand trial.

    Those who harbour and defend Obama should also be indicted for crimes.

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    Re: Why am I insensitive or racist if I find this wrong?

    Quote Originally Posted by APACHERAT View Post
    Obama should be tried for the laws he has already violated. The list is long.

    Impeach then have him stand trial.

    Those who harbour and defend Obama should also be indicted for crimes.
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