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    Re: Less Government vs. Better Government

    Quote Originally Posted by cpgrad08 View Post
    Not really because National Defense is one the powers the Federal Government has under the Constitution. I would write to them to close down bases all over the world that are not necessary since the fall of the Soviet Union and cut down wasteful military spending yes.
    Those bases are still there because our money (trillions and trillions of dollars of it) and the citizens managing it are -- and *want to be* -- everywhere. Unless we're going to illegalize that kind of movement and become a hermit kingdom like Japan the mid-19th century, the bases are going to remain in operation.

    The bases are far more necessary in the 21st century than they ever were even during the height of the Cold War; now that the Cold War is over, it is time to reap the profit of our victory, before the other emerging powers catch up to us.
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    Re: Less Government vs. Better Government

    Quote Originally Posted by cpgrad08 View Post
    National Defense is one the powers the Federal Government has under the Constitution.
    So is promoting the general welfare.

    Quote Originally Posted by Jerry View Post
    That's a valid function of government. I was thinking more along the lines of "social problems" like acceptance of gays, afording retierment, and getting healthcare to the needy.
    "acceptance of gays" — Bigots are free to reject away. If they violate anti-discrimination laws or regulations, appropriate enforcement action will be taken.

    "afording retierment, and getting healthcare to the needy" — Social Security, Medicaid, and subsidies under the ACA can be ended at any time. Get the votes.

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    Re: Less Government vs. Better Government

    Quote Originally Posted by Amadeus View Post
    So a government's job is to clean up after polluting corporations.
    Uh no. The way it works right now the corporations clean up their own mess, or hire a specialized corperation to clean it for them.

    The government doesn't do the dirty work, they just make sure it's don.

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    Re: Less Government vs. Better Government

    Quote Originally Posted by mmi View Post
    So is promoting the general welfare.

    That is not an enumerated power and is used by statists to justify all sorts of unconstitutional crap engaged in by the federal government

    "acceptance of gays" — Bigots are free to reject away. If they violate anti-discrimination laws or regulations, appropriate enforcement action will be taken.

    "afording retierment, and getting healthcare to the needy" — Social Security, Medicaid, and subsidies under the ACA can be ended at any time. Get the votes.
    such laws on a federal level are not properly constitutional either



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    Re: Less Government vs. Better Government

    Quote Originally Posted by TurtleDude View Post
    such laws on a federal level are not properly constitutional either
    Decades of Supreme Court precedent says they are.

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    Re: Less Government vs. Better Government

    Quote Originally Posted by Jerry View Post
    Uh no. The way it works right now the corporations clean up their own mess, or hire a specialized corperation to clean it for them.
    Corporation files for Chapter 11. Who cleans up the mess?

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    Re: Less Government vs. Better Government

    Quote Originally Posted by mmi View Post
    Decades of Supreme Court precedent says they are.
    yes we know that FDR raped the tenth amendment. However, Alito et al have been slowly rolling some of that crap back



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    Re: Less Government vs. Better Government

    Quote Originally Posted by Amadeus View Post
    Corporation files for Chapter 11. Who cleans up the mess?
    The Chapter 11 Trustee



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    Re: Less Government vs. Better Government

    Quote Originally Posted by mmi View Post
    So is promoting the general welfare.



    "acceptance of gays" — Bigots are free to reject away. If they violate anti-discrimination laws or regulations, appropriate enforcement action will be taken.

    "afording retierment, and getting healthcare to the needy" — Social Security, Medicaid, and subsidies under the ACA can be ended at any time. Get the votes
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    Shouldn't be a power of the governement. One should be discriminate as much as they want without fear of the government.

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    Re: Less Government vs. Better Government

    Quote Originally Posted by cpgrad08 View Post
    Shouldn't be a power of the governement. One should be discriminate as much as they want without fear of the government.
    ... everybody thinks until discrimination directed at them becomes a permanent part of their existence. If people won't give individuals the respect they require to be functioning and involved members of society, then respect has to be taken by force.
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