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    Re: Less Government vs. Better Government

    Quote Originally Posted by Amadeus View Post
    Small government in comparison to what? Large government in comparison to what? Please don't put words in my mouth. If you don't understand my posts, I'm more than happy to clarify.
    You tell me. It was your post.

    No, it means that government should be large enough to meet whatever problem society deems it should solve. As I clearly stated in my original post.
    And I responded to that sentiment exactly. You err in assuming that problems of society require a "large enough" government. As I clearly stated, larger government is not necessary to solve larger problems. You asked "what if government is too small to solve a problem society wants solved"--and my question is simple. Give an example of when government is too small to solve a problem, and why the solution should be a larger government.
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    Re: Less Government vs. Better Government

    What are these kinds of threads? I mean seriously?

    The US is a massive country. It has to have a massive Govt. Get over that already. Unless you intend on shrinking the US, it has to have a massive government.

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    Re: Less Government vs. Better Government

    Quote Originally Posted by CalGun View Post
    Sadly its hard to imagine government doing much right. DMV, post office, and even the military is rather poorly run. I don't mean to say we don't need them, or that we should eliminate them all its just that people don't take pride in what they do and don't care if its done well. There is a belief (I think justified) that its nearly impossible to get fired from the grubbynutt. You almost have to be a convicted criminal (and sometimes thats' not enough) to get fired. Look at billy jeff who engages in a sexual twist with an intern - if a corporate CEO had done that he'd have been canned but we glorify it, excuse it, and don't think much of even lying about it under oath.
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    Re: Less Government vs. Better Government

    Quote Originally Posted by Lakryte View Post
    You tell me. It was your post.
    My post is self-explanatory. If you have a problem with it you're going to have to point it out to me.


    And I responded to that sentiment exactly. You err in assuming that problems of society require a "large enough" government.
    No, I don't err and I'm not making an assumption. If a government is not large enough to meet the size of a particular problem, then it's too small. There's no way around this without playing word games.

    Give an example of when government is too small to solve a problem
    A government could have too small of a military. It could be too small to deal with natural disasters. It could be too small to maintain rule of law. It could be too small to deal with poverty.

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    Re: Less Government vs. Better Government

    Rule of law done very efficiently. There is a purpose for government in protecting freedom and the founders knew a weak government is bad just as an authoritarian one is. I basically believe in a strong freedom protecting government that is much more cost efficient than we currently are so that it doesn't undermine economic liberty. What we have are two parties that seem to want either a weak government or a very costly one.

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    Re: Less Government vs. Better Government

    Quote Originally Posted by Bob Blaylock View Post
    I suppose it depends on your point of view.

    If you believe that government should be a servant to the people, responsive to the will of the people, and accountable to the people, then you have no choice but to agree with me. For this to be the case, government needs to be relatively small, and as much as possible of the power that it wields needs to be concentrated as locally as possible among city/town-level governments, state governments, with the national government having only a very bare minimum of power and authority—exactly as our Nation's Constitution was written to establish.

    If you believe that government should be the master, and that the people exist to serve the will of government, then you would be right, a big government, concentrated at the national level would certainly be “better” than a small government.
    I agree, however I don't think a whole lot of people want a bigger govt. You'd have a hard time finding someone to say they want more gov't.. If you take the current gov't we have now and simply make it run better, more efficient, less money in politics...etc.. then I guess it probably would shrink simply out of necessity .. but like i said in a previous post, just because you make gov't smaller does not necessarily mean its not going to still be oppressive and tyrannical.
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    Re: Less Government vs. Better Government

    Quote Originally Posted by Mycroft View Post
    That's BS.

    Self-reliance and minimal government IN the US has nothing to do with how we deal with other countries. In other words, we don't need to curtail individual freedom or subject our own citizens to massive amounts of government control and power in order to deal effectively with the world at large.
    The absence of self-reliance isn't even a problem specific to government. How many Americans know *anything* about the accounting that goes into managing their 401k plans or their mortgages or their credit or anything? In the Old West, every man knew everything about all the wealth at his disposal, down to the last penny hidden in the floor boards. Similarly, most people were fair hunters when the need came to it, and more capable of exacting justice on those weeks where the Marshals were on rotation. Self-reliance is under attack from every aspect of our society, not just government; businesses don't want you to be self-reliant because a service you can do for yourself is one less they can provide to you. Banks need you to be non self-reliant so you won't handle your money or your investments personally.

    On one level that's necessary to their competitive edge; cutting our personal management allows the American financing sector to become bigger and obtain more of a global presence. Individuals clamouring for a greater role in managing their own money (giving specific orders about where their money is used, for example) could prove . . . obstructive.

    Furthermore, if there's anything the 2008 recession and China's emerging power demonstrates, its that lack of market interventionism is a huge security risk; if a core industry implodes, then our connections to other countries are weakened and replaced by rivals. Our ability to draw on revenue pay our army and debts is shaken. Domestic tensions increase and the democracy becomes dysfunctional.
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    Re: Less Government vs. Better Government

    Quote Originally Posted by Amadeus View Post
    Which do you feel is more important: A government that is smaller, or a government that can solve important problems more effectively?
    Less Government is better Government.

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    Re: Less Government vs. Better Government

    Quote Originally Posted by cpgrad08 View Post
    Less Government is better Government.
    So I take it you'll be pressing yer congressional representatives to defund the Marine Corps.

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    Re: Less Government vs. Better Government

    Quote Originally Posted by Amadeus View Post
    Which do you feel is more important: A government that is smaller, or a government that can solve important problems more effectively?
    Less government = better government.

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