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    Re: Less Government vs. Better Government

    Quote Originally Posted by Cardinal View Post
    There are countless people on this forum who believe that big government is government that doesn't work right.
    Historically, big government doesn't work better.
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    Re: Less Government vs. Better Government

    Quote Originally Posted by Jesse Booth View Post
    Historically, big government doesn't work better.
    I'm not interested in whether you think big government has historically worked better or less.

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    Re: Less Government vs. Better Government

    Quote Originally Posted by Cardinal View Post
    I'm not interested in whether you think big government works better or less.
    It isn't an opinion, it's a fact. The larger a government gets, the wider the door is opened for corruption, bureaucracy, and abuse. Just look at what the VA and education are doing. We've been pumping more and more money into them for years, and they haven't improved in any way. In fact, in education, we fall further behind other first world countries every year. I could draw examples from any number of other branches of American government, or from any Communist country ever formed. Even further back, you can look at what happened to the Romans. Or the Persians, the British Empire, the Mongolians...

    Once a government reaches a certain size, it becomes doomed to extinction through its own incompetence. I repeat: this is not an opinion. It is fact.
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    Re: Less Government vs. Better Government

    'Better government,' if that's what you want to call it. It's not government's duty to do everything, and I would like to see the government remove itself fully or partially from corporate welfare, controlled substance prohibition, acts of imperialism and aggression, and many other areas. Just because a government is acting incompetently in a certain area, however, doesn't mean it has to be. Just because our healthcare and education systems are flawed doesn't mean that removing funding will solve the problem; in fact it will make the problem worse. It all depends on how you spend your money, not whether or not money is being spent. One of the biggest myths in American politics is that the "size" of the government is the source of its problems.

    One more tidbit: Not a single congressman/woman in Washington preaching small government is actually voting for "small government" policy.

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    Re: Less Government vs. Better Government

    It might not be the cause, but it sure as hell isn't the solution.
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    Re: Less Government vs. Better Government

    Quote Originally Posted by CalGun View Post
    Sadly its hard to imagine government doing much right. DMV, post office, and even the military is rather poorly run...
    Compared to what? I betcha I can list a lot of private sector companies that are more poorly run.

    Can UPS deliver a letter to a neighboring state next day for 47?

    It's all relative.
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    I see a big problem with the idea that whatever the majority wants is OK.

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    Re: Less Government vs. Better Government

    Quote Originally Posted by Jesse Booth View Post
    It might not be the cause, but it sure as hell isn't the solution.
    And what is your proof of this? Why is the government implementing policy itself an bad thing? Earlier, you mentioned education. It's true that we are falling behind in education, but that is due to the privatization occurring with charter schools. The best nations in education, Finland leading ahead of the rest, don't use charter schools and reject privatization of education. There is decentralization of education within the system, as opposed to Common Core and standardized tests, but both strategies would be considered "big government."

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    Re: Less Government vs. Better Government

    Quote Originally Posted by Henrin View Post
    It seems to me that it is more likely a sociopath would desire a big government than a small government. You can easily charm people into thinking the power that the government is taking for itself is for the best, but it's bit hard to charm people and at the same say we will do nothing for your complaint or say, sorry, we don't have the power to do what you want.
    Sociopaths engage in anti-social behavior and thought, not caring for the well being of others. Government is an invention of our society, and big government attempts to fulfill all of our societies needs (which is why it is big).

    So I wouldn't think that people with an anti-social mentality would be for big government. That would be counter-logical.

    If anything, radical tea party types are more likely to tend to be sociopaths, uncaring or indifferent towards others, thus sociopaths would tend to be for smaller government and less governmental benefits, such as welfare, unemployment compensation, social security benifits, etc.
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    Re: Less Government vs. Better Government

    Quote Originally Posted by imagep View Post
    Sociopaths engage in anti-social behavior and thought, not caring for the well being of others. Government is an invention of our society, and big government attempts to fulfill all of our societies needs (which is why it is big).

    So I wouldn't think that people with an anti-social mentality would be for big government. That would be counter-logical.

    If anything, radical tea party types are more likely to tend to be sociopaths, uncaring or indifferent towards others, thus sociopaths would tend to be for smaller government and less governmental benefits, such as welfare, unemployment compensation, social security benifits, etc.
    There were approximately 0 sexual assaults at the major Tea party rallies, and to date they have caused $0 in damages to public property. Care to look up the statistics from the OWS riots?

    Here are the characteristics of a sociopath. Please pay special attention to the ones in bold.


    Glibness and Superficial Charm

    Manipulative and Conning
    They never recognize the rights of others and see their self-serving behaviors as permissible. They appear to be charming, yet are covertly hostile and domineering, seeing their victim as merely an instrument to be used. They may dominate and humiliate their victims.

    Grandiose Sense of Self
    Feels entitled to certain things as "their right."


    Pathological Lying
    Has no problem lying coolly and easily and it is almost impossible for them to be truthful on a consistent basis. Can create, and get caught up in, a complex belief about their own powers and abilities. Extremely convincing and even able to pass lie detector tests.

    Lack of Remorse, Shame or Guilt
    A deep seated rage, which is split off and repressed, is at their core. Does not see others around them as people, but only as targets and opportunities. Instead of friends, they have victims and accomplices who end up as victims. The end always justifies the means and they let nothing stand in their way.

    Shallow Emotions
    When they show what seems to be warmth, joy, love and compassion it is more feigned than experienced and serves an ulterior motive. Outraged by insignificant matters, yet remaining unmoved and cold by what would upset a normal person. Since they are not genuine, neither are their promises.

    Incapacity for Love

    Need for Stimulation
    Living on the edge. Verbal outbursts and physical punishments are normal. Promiscuity and gambling are common.

    Callousness/Lack of Empathy
    Unable to empathize with the pain of their victims, having only contempt for others' feelings of distress and readily taking advantage of them.

    Poor Behavioral Controls/Impulsive Nature
    Rage and abuse, alternating with small expressions of love and approval produce an addictive cycle for abuser and abused, as well as creating hopelessness in the victim. Believe they are all-powerful, all-knowing, entitled to every wish, no sense of personal boundaries, no concern for their impact on others.

    Early Behavior Problems/Juvenile Delinquency
    Usually has a history of behavioral and academic difficulties, yet "gets by" by conning others. Problems in making and keeping friends; aberrant behaviors such as cruelty to people or animals, stealing, etc.

    Irresponsibility/Unreliability
    Not concerned about wrecking others' lives and dreams. Oblivious or indifferent to the devastation they cause. Does not accept blame themselves, but blames others, even for acts they obviously committed.

    Promiscuous Sexual Behavior/Infidelity
    Promiscuity, child sexual abuse, rape and sexual acting out of all sorts.

    Lack of Realistic Life Plan/Parasitic Lifestyle
    Tends to move around a lot or makes all encompassing promises for the future, poor work ethic but exploits others effectively.


    Criminal or Entrepreneurial Versatility
    Changes their image as needed to avoid prosecution. Changes life story readily.
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    Re: Less Government vs. Better Government

    Quote Originally Posted by imagep View Post
    Compared to what? I betcha I can list a lot of private sector companies that are more poorly run.

    Can UPS deliver a letter to a neighboring state next day for 47?

    It's all relative.
    The VA processed their first computer file in 1985. They haven't updated their software since then.

    Obamacare's website speaks for itself. I don't have to comment on that.

    3% of federal employees owe back taxes. 1,100 of those employed with the IRS itself got a total of 1 million in bonuses.

    And here's eleven screw-ups that Americans picked as the worst in 2011. The biggest government ‘oops’ of 2011 - The Federal Eye - The Washington Post

    Need I go on?
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