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    Re: Less Government vs. Better Government

    Quote Originally Posted by Cardinal View Post
    I don't personally have to deal with one myself either, but I have multiple family members who do. Depending on the area they can vary from common sense rules to stepping into an Orwellian nightmare. They're set up so that home owners can maintain their real estate values while not being powerless in the face of that one neighbor who wants to keep his car on cinder blocks while playing techno til 4am, but on the flip side HOA's can also start establishing (and yes, enforcing) bull**** rules on what color your mailbox can be and demanding that all lawns be perfectly green (in spite of drought) and that they must all be 8.2287cm in height. No, I wouldn't want to live in a place like that either.
    Well, for problems like that, if the neighbors don't listen to reason, that is what the police are good for. I would rather take my chances with a crappy neighbor than an overbearing agency trying to control my every move on my OWN property. I don't think it would mesh well for me.

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    Re: Less Government vs. Better Government

    Quote Originally Posted by Cardinal View Post
    So he has a bias, so what? He's still allowed to challenge someone else's views. That in itself doesn't constitute a "trick question." Being able to entertain a hypothetical that doesn't conform to your beliefs on how the world works is the sign of a flexible mind.
    I never said he couldn't. I'm just pointing out that it's a biased poll and a trick question for those who DO prefer a smaller government to the overbearing money-eating monstrosity that we have now, and some people actually would like to see it even LARGER.

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    Re: Less Government vs. Better Government

    Quote Originally Posted by ChrisL View Post
    Well, for problems like that, if the neighbors don't listen to reason, that is what the police are good for. I would rather take my chances with a crappy neighbor than an overbearing agency trying to control my every move on my OWN property. I don't think it would mesh well for me.
    Having a neighbor who doesn't like to play nice when you're renting is bad enough (hope you like repeated visits from the cops, because their hands are tied a lot more than you could ever imagine). All you can really hope for is that the landlord doesn't renew his lease or the neighbor breaks enough of the rules of tenancy that he can be legally evicted (which is sort of HOA'ish if you think about it). However, if you're an owner and your mortgage and home value are on the line it's whole nother can of worms.
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    Re: Less Government vs. Better Government

    Quote Originally Posted by ChrisL View Post
    I never said he couldn't. I'm just pointing out that it's a biased poll and a trick question for those who DO prefer a smaller government to the overbearing money-eating monstrosity that we have now, and some people actually would like to see it even LARGER.
    The whole point of the thread is to mentally explore two choices that you don't like. Simply the fact that you don't like the options doesn't make the the OP a "trick question." If all you want to do is get out your soap box and re-assert that big government is bad, you can do that in literally every other thread on every other forum on the internet.

    Honestly, I've never understood people who cannot (or will not) entertain a hypothetical.

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    Re: Less Government vs. Better Government

    Quote Originally Posted by Cardinal View Post
    Having a neighbor who doesn't like to play nice when you're renting is bad enough (hope you like repeated visits from the cops, because their hands are tied a lot more than you could ever imagine. All you can really hope for is that the landlord doesn't renew his lease or the neighbor breaks enough of the rules of tenancy that he can be legally evicted (which is sort of HOA'ish if you think about it). However, if you're an owner and your mortgage and home value are on the line it's whole nother can of worms.
    Most people learn after having the police called several times. I do rent and have lived in several different places. I've had a few problem neighbors but nothing I couldn't handle. MOST of the time, if you just talk to them like people and tell them, look, I have to get up really early in the morning and your music is keeping me awake, or something to that effect, they will usually be much more receptive.

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    Re: Less Government vs. Better Government

    Quote Originally Posted by Cardinal View Post
    The whole point of the thread is to mentally explore two choices that you don't like. Simply the fact that you don't like the options doesn't make the the OP a "trick question." If all you want to do is get out your soap box and re-assert that big government is bad, you can do that in literally every other thread on every other forum on the internet.

    Honestly, I've never understood people who cannot (or will not) entertain a hypothetical.
    Oh, come now! The thread title is "Would you prefer LESS government or BETTER government."

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    Re: Less Government vs. Better Government

    Quote Originally Posted by Cardinal View Post
    It's only a "trick question" insofar as it's supposed to make you explore where your true values lie…
    My true values do not lie. They only tell the truth. That is what makes them true values.
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    We can be Godless and free. • “Social justice” through forced redistribution of wealth. • Silencing religious opinions counts as “diversity”. • Freedom without moral and personal responsibility. • Civilization can survive the intentional undermining of the family.

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    Re: Less Government vs. Better Government

    Quote Originally Posted by Cardinal View Post
    The whole point of the thread is to mentally explore 1* two choices that you don't like. Simply the fact that you don't like the options doesn't make the the OP a "trick question." 2* If all you want to do is get out your soap box and re-assert that big government is bad, you can do that in literally every other thread on every other forum on the internet.

    Honestly, I've never understood people who cannot (or will not) entertain a hypothetical.
    1* You're implying that people who don't like big government also don't like government that works right.

    2* Not true. Everyone at the Star Wars forum would think I'm crazy if I started saying that on the "Is Darth Maul an awesome or sucky character?" thread. Here, it's actually on topic.
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    Re: Less Government vs. Better Government

    Quote Originally Posted by Jesse Booth View Post
    1* You're implying that people who don't like big government also don't like government that works right.
    There are countless people on this forum who believe that big government is government that doesn't work right.

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    Re: Less Government vs. Better Government

    Quote Originally Posted by ChrisL View Post
    Oh, come now! The thread title is "Would you prefer LESS government or BETTER government."
    Shrug. Smaller, worse government vs larger, better government is what I took from it.

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