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    Re: Less Government vs. Better Government

    Quote Originally Posted by earthworm View Post
    If the "general welfare" of a nation's people is NOT in black and white ..it should be ..
    Remember, these things are written by "man", who is NOT perfect !
    Thus , frankly, I am NOT impressed by what the "authors" have written.
    And, American, I would suggest that, YOU, do some reading.
    You being impressed by the authors is irrelevent. Their intended meaning of the writings is all that matters, and your ability to follow what was ratified is all that's required. Try not to overthink it.
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    Re: Less Government vs. Better Government

    Quote Originally Posted by earthworm View Post
    NO
    What it takes is a cooperative effort from business, church, the people, and government - working together, to improve things for ALL or us !
    Who runs this show ?
    the people
    Who is the conductor ?
    the government

    Who has the good ideas ?
    business
    And, YES, even church plays a role .. .. when they remember the words from Jesus.
    And, IMO, if all was "perfect", we would NOT need government...only "church" .
    You gave two options, I believe in the first one (i.e., the people). You second option is wrong in my view. The government is an arbitrator.
    "He who does not think himself worth saving from poverty and ignorance by his own efforts, will hardly be thought worth the efforts of anybody else." -- Frederick Douglass, Self-Made Men (1872)
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    Re: Less Government vs. Better Government

    Quote Originally Posted by Geoist View Post
    Do we then take that to its logical conclusion and claim no government is best?
    No, you have to have government. You have to have taxes to build bridges, roads and infrastructure. But all that is where it pretty much ends.
    Taxpayer money should go to the benefit of the taxpayers.

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    Re: Less Government vs. Better Government

    Quote Originally Posted by CRUE CAB View Post
    No, you have to have government. You have to have taxes to build bridges, roads and infrastructure. But all that is where it pretty much ends.
    Taxpayer money should go to the benefit of the taxpayers.
    Well, I do agree for the most part (though our opinion on where to draw tax revenue would probably differ). But I think if you really want to see limited government, then a decentralized system is the way to go. Each municipality could decide how much government they want. And if you don't like that particular form of government... well its easier to move to another city/state than it is to move out of country.
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    Re: Less Government vs. Better Government

    Quote Originally Posted by American View Post
    You being impressed by the authors is irrelevent. Their intended meaning of the writings is all that matters, and your ability to follow what was ratified is all that's required. Try not to overthink it.
    American, your "say-so" changes nothing...Words written centuries ago by the then 1% do not impress me...
    The intended meaning .. .. .. is open to debate ... I , for one, follow what I think is right, Not by what some self-righteous conservative thinks..

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    Re: Less Government vs. Better Government

    Quote Originally Posted by Tothian View Post
    Less is better.
    Brilliant
    But, in the sense, that I believe that a man must always try to "do more" (improve efficiency) , I agree.
    But, with government, we are dealing with people, more so than things...And "efficiency" , when working with people , takes a back seat ... or it should.
    So, as far I am concerned, its better over less..

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    Re: Less Government vs. Better Government

    Quote Originally Posted by CRUE CAB View Post
    No, you have to have government. You have to have taxes to build bridges, roads and infrastructure. But all that is where it pretty much ends.
    Taxpayer money should go to the benefit of the taxpayers.
    Taxpayer money must go for the good of the entire nation, NOT just the taxpayers...This means all of us ....including those who, do pay little to no tax.

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    Re: Less Government vs. Better Government

    Quote Originally Posted by earthworm View Post
    Taxpayer money must go for the good of the entire nation, NOT just the taxpayers...This means all of us ....including those who, do pay little to no tax.
    Non payers, unless truly incapable of working. Can just die off.

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    Re: Less Government vs. Better Government

    Quote Originally Posted by earthworm View Post
    American, your "say-so" changes nothing...Words written centuries ago by the then 1% do not impress me...
    The intended meaning .. .. .. is open to debate ... I , for one, follow what I think is right, Not by what some self-righteous conservative thinks..
    That's all we need to know about YOU.
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