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    Re: Less Government vs. Better Government

    Quote Originally Posted by Gimmesometruth View Post
    Hint: We have plenty of PRACTICAL measurement of government policy showing the desired result of policy. To deny this....is nuts.
    Why don't you post some of it. What do you think of our federal deficit figures? What does that reflect?

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    Re: Less Government vs. Better Government

    Quote Originally Posted by American View Post
    Then our government (in fact all governments) fail, because we still have the least fortunate.
    Fail ?
    Not at all, and NOT perfectly...we are dealing with humanity....And, as long as we have this(humanity or man), there will always be the less fortunate...The idea is, of course, the reduction of numbers (less crime - for one) (less suicide, for another)

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    Re: Less Government vs. Better Government

    Quote Originally Posted by Amadeus View Post
    Not at all, it's a matter of where your ideological priorities are.
    In other words you are admitting to political blinders in your poll.

    A smaller government can be better than a bigger government since our elected officials can better focus on fewer functions than more and with less functions being maintained it can receive better funding for those who do.
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    Re: Less Government vs. Better Government

    Quote Originally Posted by Amadeus View Post
    No, my presumption is that cooperation and collective problem solving are required for certain problems. How do you solve a national problem without government?
    NGOs (Non-Government Organizations).
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    Re: Less Government vs. Better Government

    Quote Originally Posted by TurtleDude View Post
    weak response. again-less government can be measured. Better government cannot because what socialist income redistributionists call better, many of us call worse
    Those on the wrong like to measure a society's success by how much government “helps” the people.

    Those of us on the right would rather measure a society's success by what people are able to accomplish without (or in spite of) any “help” from the government.
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    We can be Godless and free. • “Social justice” through forced redistribution of wealth. • Silencing religious opinions counts as “diversity”. • Freedom without moral and personal responsibility. • Civilization can survive the intentional undermining of the family.

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    Re: Less Government vs. Better Government

    Quote Originally Posted by mmi View Post
    So is promoting the general welfare.

    WRONG. "Promoting the general welfare" is a general prescription for the existence of government it is not a pow. of under the Constitution of the Untied States.
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    Re: Less Government vs. Better Government

    Quote Originally Posted by earthworm View Post
    Fail ?
    Not at all, and NOT perfectly...we are dealing with humanity....And, as long as we have this(humanity or man), there will always be the less fortunate...The idea is, of course, the reduction of numbers (less crime - for one) (less suicide, for another)
    Taking money from one person to give to another for their sustenance is not the purpose of government.
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    Re: Less Government vs. Better Government

    Quote Originally Posted by Gimmesometruth View Post
    Are you still clinging to the argument that the measurement of a better life is impossible? That the quality of a life, the wealth, health, satisfaction.....happiness in life....cannot be measured?

    FFS, what is wrong with you folks?

    Next up, we cannot criticize govt policy or POTUS's......because we cannot measure whether or not those policies have an effect on people or their lives!
    Nice try, no go. Wealth and health are indeed measurable. Well wealth in terms of money. When used in concepts like "I'm wealthy in friends", it becomes more subjective. "Better", "Quality", "Satisfaction", and "Happyness" are all indeed subjective values. Now we can measure an individual's view on each of these by asking. We can also measure trends among a group of people. What we cannot do is take a specific item, action or whatever and say that everyone across the board will agree as to whether or not it is "better", or that all will be satisfied, or that it will make everyone happy or satisfied. That's because they are subjective.

    We can take event A that someone works to change into B. You may feel that is better for your life. I on the other hand feel that it makes my life worse. So, does the action result in a better way of life or a worse one? The answer is yes. Both resulted because "better" is subjective.
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    Re: Less Government vs. Better Government

    Quote Originally Posted by Shadow Serious View Post
    WRONG. "Promoting the general welfare" is a general prescription for the existence of government it is not a pow. of under the Constitution of the Untied States.
    "The Congress shall have Power To lay and collect Taxes, Duties, Imposts and Excises, to pay the Debts and provide for the common Defence and general Welfare of the United States; …"

    You can argue that I should have used the expression "provide for" that's associated with the enumerated powers listed in Article One, Section 8, rather than the word "promote" that's found in the Preamble. But I was responding to:

    Quote Originally Posted by cpgrad08 View Post
    … National Defense is one the powers the Federal Government has under the Constitution.
    I felt that cpgrad08 was focused more on the Preamble's "provide for the common defence" than the Taxing and Spending Clause.

    I'm not sure where yer going with "a general prescription for the existence of government."

    Quote Originally Posted by American View Post
    Taking money from one person to give to another for their sustenance is not the purpose of government.
    That's yer opinion. The disbursement of tax revenues is decided democratically. Looks like you are in the minority on this one.

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    Re: Less Government vs. Better Government

    Personally I don't really have an issue with programs to help the poor, mostly because of the children. At the same time, the government really needs to start reeling in their disgusting amount of wasteful unnecessary spending.

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