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    Re: Less Government vs. Better Government

    Quote Originally Posted by TurtleDude View Post
    Less government can be objectively measured

    better cannot be
    Complete and utter BS spouted by those with an agenda to not examine what form of govt is best.....because they are so bent on not wanting any restrictions upon their greed.

    The life outcomes of the least fortunate is very often a measurement of the effectiveness of government.
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    If you wanna know why Trumpsters are ignoring you its for the same reason you ignored the KKKs complaints about Obama.
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    When it comes down to it, all facts are cherry picked.
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    He didn't say it didn't make sense. He said it is complete nonsense.

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    Re: Less Government vs. Better Government

    Quote Originally Posted by Amadeus View Post
    What if a government is too small to tackle a problem that society wants solved? Then it is not a better government, it is a smaller government for the sake of being small.
    Moving the goal posts around isn't an argument.
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    Re: Less Government vs. Better Government

    Quote Originally Posted by Gimmesometruth View Post
    Complete and utter BS spouted by those with an agenda to not examine what form of govt is best.....because they are so bent on not wanting any restrictions upon their greed.

    The life outcomes of the least fortunate is very often a measurement of the effectiveness of government.
    Then our government (in fact all governments) fail, because we still have the least fortunate.
    "He who does not think himself worth saving from poverty and ignorance by his own efforts, will hardly be thought worth the efforts of anybody else." -- Frederick Douglass, Self-Made Men (1872)
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    Re: Less Government vs. Better Government

    Quote Originally Posted by American View Post
    Then our government (in fact all governments) fail, because we still have the least fortunate.
    Where did you get the idea that I said govt eliminates the circumstances a person is born into?
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    If you wanna know why Trumpsters are ignoring you its for the same reason you ignored the KKKs complaints about Obama.
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    When it comes down to it, all facts are cherry picked.
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    He didn't say it didn't make sense. He said it is complete nonsense.

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    Re: Less Government vs. Better Government

    Quote Originally Posted by American View Post
    Moving the goal posts around isn't an argument.
    The goal posts haven't moved.

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    Re: Less Government vs. Better Government

    Quote Originally Posted by Amadeus View Post
    The goal posts haven't moved.
    Leaving a govt too large isn't justification for "what if it's too small?"
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    Re: Less Government vs. Better Government

    Quote Originally Posted by Gimmesometruth View Post
    Where did you get the idea that I said govt eliminates the circumstances a person is born into?
    You said it's a measure of govt effectiveness. Since we have at least the same percentage as before our govt grew further, it's not very effective at that.
    "He who does not think himself worth saving from poverty and ignorance by his own efforts, will hardly be thought worth the efforts of anybody else." -- Frederick Douglass, Self-Made Men (1872)
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    Re: Less Government vs. Better Government

    Quote Originally Posted by American View Post
    You said it's a measure of govt effectiveness.
    "It" actually being:

    The life outcomes of the least fortunate is very often a measurement of the effectiveness of government.

    Outcomes....different than circumstance born into.



    I said Since we have at least the same percentage as before our govt grew further, it's not very effective at that.
    Your inability to read and comprehend the difference between outcome and pre-existing circumstance is the issue....and instead of correcting yourself, re-reading and understanding WHAT I WROTE, you dig in and continue with your folly of misunderstanding.

    It has been CLEARLY explained to you, if you choose to continue to follow your failure of understanding, there is no one to blame but yourself.
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    If you wanna know why Trumpsters are ignoring you its for the same reason you ignored the KKKs complaints about Obama.
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    When it comes down to it, all facts are cherry picked.
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    He didn't say it didn't make sense. He said it is complete nonsense.

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    Re: Less Government vs. Better Government

    Quote Originally Posted by American View Post
    Leaving a govt too large isn't justification for "what if it's too small?"
    Not sure what you're referring to, exactly. The "too small" remark is in the context of government being inadequate for a particular problem. Shrinking government for the sake of ideology, rather than practicality, ultimately leads to this scenario.

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    Re: Less Government vs. Better Government

    Quote Originally Posted by Gimmesometruth View Post
    Complete and utter BS spouted by those with an agenda to not examine what form of govt is best.....because they are so bent on not wanting any restrictions upon their greed.

    The life outcomes of the least fortunate is very often a measurement of the effectiveness of government.
    weak response. again-less government can be measured. Better government cannot because what socialist income redistributionists call better, many of us call worse



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