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    Re: Less Government vs. Better Government

    Quote Originally Posted by Mycroft View Post
    The government has no responsibility to be the go-between when it comes to a person's sense of self-reliance and a business's attempts to attract sales. Unfortunately, our citizens have been conditioned by an ever-expanding, all-powerful government to believe they do. You appear to believe the government has such a responsibility...but you want to shift the blame to some business that just wants to make a buck.

    Try being honest for a change, eh?

    So...a core industry implodes because of ever-expanding and all-powerful government...and you want to use that as an excuse to expand the government even more...to give the government even more power. How typically liberal of you.
    To tell you the true, I cannot answer the question as it is put. The government could easily be made better and smaller at the same time. As a matter of fact, made better would automatically reduce its size by shifting a few large bureaucracies do to private industry.

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    Re: Less Government vs. Better Government

    Quote Originally Posted by mmi View Post

    I did police and fire. And I assume you want to eliminate the Nuclear Regulatory Commission, the Food and Drug Administration, the National Highway Traffic Safety Administration, the National Transportation Safety Board, the National Institutes of Health, the Centers for Disease Control and Prevention, etc, etc, etc.
    If not outright elimination, a cut to the bone yes. You're playing the "dependency" card on this because these government groups have been around a while? Try again.

    I would estimate half of governmental groups, and I'm including ALL federal governmental entities, could be either outright eliminated or cut to a minimum.
    I think if Thomas Jefferson were looking down, the author of the Bill of Rights, on whats being proposed here, hed agree with it. He would agree that the First Amendment cannot be absolute. - Chuck Schumer (D). Yet, Madison and Mason wrote the Bill of Rights, according to Sheila Jackson Lee, 400 years ago. Yup, it's a fact.


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    Re: Less Government vs. Better Government

    Given the two simplistic choices, I'll go with less government. I can quantify that. I can't quantify better government.

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    Re: Less Government vs. Better Government

    Quote Originally Posted by Amadeus View Post
    Which do you feel is more important: A government that is smaller, or a government that can solve important problems more effectively?
    Less government is better government.
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    Re: Less Government vs. Better Government

    Quote Originally Posted by Amadeus View Post
    Which do you feel is more important: A government that is smaller, or a government that can solve important problems more effectively?
    The only better government is less government the government is incapable and unqualified to solve any problems unless through naked violent force which is necessary on rare occasions.

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    Re: Less Government vs. Better Government

    Quote Originally Posted by Amadeus View Post
    Again, there is no assumption in the question, and larger government isn't specified.
    You can keep saying this all you want. Doesn't make it true.
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    Re: Less Government vs. Better Government

    Quote Originally Posted by maquiscat View Post
    Not necessarily. Smaller or larger does not have a given impact upon the effectiveness of a government. The effectiveness and the size of a government are two separate things. The two hold no mutual exclusion or mutual inclusions.
    I can agree, kind of.... However larger entities are not nimble nor efficient. Think about the cost and time involved with just providing for oversight and accountability measures. I some times wonder if ignoring minor fraud would be cheaper than compliance regulations and oversight measures.... just a thought.
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    Re: Less Government vs. Better Government

    Quote Originally Posted by OnWisconsin View Post
    A government that is smaller doesn't guarantee that it will be better in any way. It could be worse.
    It would be better and yes that is garunteed.

    Government is always first and last an instrument of force which means violence. The less the better. Sometimes it is necessary and justified such as select wars ( but not all wars ).

    The more it grows the more force and violence is spread wo others within and outside the borders of the nation being governed.

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    Re: Less Government vs. Better Government

    Quote Originally Posted by Amadeus View Post
    What if a government is too small to tackle a problem that society wants solved? Then it is not a better government, it is a smaller government for the sake of being small.
    Society never wants anything. Persons do. Society is merely an abstract idea and concept which is therefore very flexible. What that means is society is defined as a word to excuse whatever oppression against select individuals some other individuals wish to use the government sword to achieve. Usually because they lack the nerve to use force themselves.

    People solve many problems although some cannot be solved. Usually when left to their own devices people will solve their problem or cooperate with others to find a solution.

    Government merely shifts problems from one person to another and solves nothing.

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    Re: Less Government vs. Better Government

    Quote Originally Posted by Amadeus View Post
    I'm afraid you're mistaken. What I said was that if you focus on making government small, rather than effective, then your goal is not to solve society's problems. Which may or may not be in line with your ideology.
    Once again society has no problems people do and they are the only ones qualified to even decide what those problems are and how best to solve them.

    Socety is again merely a concept as opposed to a real entity

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