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    Re: Less Government vs. Better Government

    Quote Originally Posted by Gimmesometruth View Post
    Civil Rights Act of 1964 (Pub.L. 88–352, 78 Stat. 241, enacted July 2, 1964)

    An act to enforce the constitutional right to vote, to confer jurisdiction upon the district courts of the United States of America to provide injunctive relief against discrimination in public accommodations, to authorize the Attorney General to institute suits to protect constitutional rights in public facilities and public education, to extend the Commission on Civil Rights, to prevent discrimination in federally assisted programs, to establish a Commission on Equal Employment Opportunity, and for other purposes.
    based on the FDR expansion of the Commerce Clause which most of us who support the concept of proper constitutional interpretation find to be illegitimate



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    Re: Less Government vs. Better Government

    Quote Originally Posted by mmi View Post
    Such as?



    I did — police and fire. And I assume you want to eliminate the Nuclear Regulatory Commission, the Food and Drug Administration, the National Highway Traffic Safety Administration, the National Transportation Safety Board, the National Institutes of Health, the Centers for Disease Control and Prevention, etc, etc, etc.



    It's ours, not yers.



    Enjoy those dangerous drugs, that tainted food, that epidemic disease, that unsafe vehicle, that meltdown at the local nuclear reactor, that local toxic waste dump, that commute into a city chocked with air pollution, that airplane that crashes with you or a loved one aboard or else into yer house, etc. etc, etc.

    You enjoy and would not want to live without all the benefits that "big government" provides. But yer enough of a hypocrite to pretend that you would wave them off because it would increase yer "freedom."

    Alito and Scalia's dissent in ACA. His comments about the early Lopez decision as well



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    Re: Less Government vs. Better Government

    Quote Originally Posted by TurtleDude View Post
    based on the FDR expansion of the Commerce Clause which most of us who support the concept of proper constitutional interpretation find to be illegitimate
    Quote Originally Posted by TurtleDude View Post
    I tried hard to find a legitimate argument against what I said and I could not.
    Heart of Atlanta Motel Inc. v. United States, 379 U.S. 241 (1964)


    The U.S. Supreme Court held that Congress acted well within its jurisdiction of the Commerce Clause in passing the Civil Rights Act of 1964, thereby upholding the act's Title II in question. While it might have been possible for Congress to pursue other methods for abolishing racial discrimination, the way in which Congress did so, according to the Court, was perfectly valid. It found no merit in the arguments pursuant to the Thirteenth Amendment, finding it difficult to conceive that such an amendment might be applicable in restraining civil rights legislation. Having observed that 75% of the Heart of Atlanta Motel's clientele came from out-of-state, and that it was strategically located near Interstates 75 and 85 as well as two major Georgia highways, the Court found that the business clearly affected interstate commerce. Accordingly, it upheld the permanent injunction issued by the district court and required the Heart of Atlanta Motel to receive business from clientele of all races.
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    If you wanna know why Trumpsters are ignoring you its for the same reason you ignored the KKKs complaints about Obama.
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    When it comes down to it, all facts are cherry picked.
    Quote Originally Posted by Bodhisattva View Post
    He didn't say it didn't make sense. He said it is complete nonsense.

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    Re: Less Government vs. Better Government

    Quote Originally Posted by Gimmesometruth View Post
    Heart of Atlanta Motel Inc. v. United States, 379 U.S. 241 (1964)


    The U.S. Supreme Court held that Congress acted well within its jurisdiction of the Commerce Clause in passing the Civil Rights Act of 1964, thereby upholding the act's Title II in question. While it might have been possible for Congress to pursue other methods for abolishing racial discrimination, the way in which Congress did so, according to the Court, was perfectly valid. It found no merit in the arguments pursuant to the Thirteenth Amendment, finding it difficult to conceive that such an amendment might be applicable in restraining civil rights legislation. Having observed that 75% of the Heart of Atlanta Motel's clientele came from out-of-state, and that it was strategically located near Interstates 75 and 85 as well as two major Georgia highways, the Court found that the business clearly affected interstate commerce. Accordingly, it upheld the permanent injunction issued by the district court and required the Heart of Atlanta Motel to receive business from clientele of all races.
    you seem to miss the fact that all of those decisions come from the tainted precedent created by FDRs lapdog justices from 1934-44



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    Re: Less Government vs. Better Government

    Quote Originally Posted by mmi View Post
    Such as?



    I did — police and fire. And I assume you want to eliminate the Nuclear Regulatory Commission, the Food and Drug Administration, the National Highway Traffic Safety Administration, the National Transportation Safety Board, the National Institutes of Health, the Centers for Disease Control and Prevention, etc, etc, etc.



    It's ours, not yers.



    Enjoy those dangerous drugs, that tainted food, that epidemic disease, that unsafe vehicle, that meltdown at the local nuclear reactor, that local toxic waste dump, that commute into a city chocked with air pollution, that airplane that crashes with you or a loved one aboard or else into yer house, etc. etc, etc.

    You enjoy and would not want to live without all the benefits that "big government" provides. But yer enough of a hypocrite to pretend that you would wave them off because it would increase yer "freedom."
    If people want to do drugs the government can't stop (which is why the war on drugs is a big bust). I love how you think that government is the reason non of those things have happened. Their should be a level regulations on business. I think you are confusing less government with no government.

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    Re: Less Government vs. Better Government

    Quote Originally Posted by TurtleDude View Post
    you seem to miss the fact that all of those decisions come from the tainted precedent created by FDRs lapdog justices from 1934-44
    Clark was Truman, Goldberg was Kennedy.

    Your conservative courts have not struck down public accommodation rulings. Your "illegitimate" argument goes nowhere, as per usual....Yalie.
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    If you wanna know why Trumpsters are ignoring you its for the same reason you ignored the KKKs complaints about Obama.
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    When it comes down to it, all facts are cherry picked.
    Quote Originally Posted by Bodhisattva View Post
    He didn't say it didn't make sense. He said it is complete nonsense.

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    Re: Less Government vs. Better Government

    Quote Originally Posted by TurtleDude View Post
    Alito and Scalia's dissent in ACA. His comments about the early Lopez decision as well
    Yeah, dissents. I don't see any "slowly rolling some of that crap back," even at a turtle's pace.

    Quote Originally Posted by TurtleDude View Post
    based on the FDR expansion of the Commerce Clause which most of us who support the concept of proper constitutional interpretation find to be illegitimate
    You could just as well argue that "most of us who support the concept of proper constitutional interpretation find Marbury v. Madison to be illegitimate."

    Quote Originally Posted by TurtleDude View Post
    you seem to miss the fact that all of those decisions come from the tainted precedent created by FDRs lapdog justices from 1934-44
    And they've been upheld, over and over and over again.

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    Re: Less Government vs. Better Government

    Quote Originally Posted by Gimmesometruth View Post
    Clark was Truman, Goldberg was Kennedy.

    Your conservative courts have not struck down public accommodation rulings. Your "illegitimate" argument goes nowhere, as per usual....Yalie.
    for years I have noted that lots of "conservative" justices do what the FDR pet monkeys did not do

    respect precedent. If you actually had a background in legal scholarship, you probably would be aware of what is commonly known as "the leftward ratchet of jurisprudence"

    leftwing judges ratchet case law leftward. Subsequent 'conservative' judges respect that as precedent and cement it into the jurisdictional fabric. Then along come some more left-wingers and they crank things leftward

    one of the reasons why Bork scared liberals was he noted that bad precedent should be stricken even if there was years of reliance upon it

    sadly "faint hearted originalists" argue that unconstitutional stuff that has been around awhile has to remain because the upheaval caused by uprooting all the FDR nonsense would be too traumatic.



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    Re: Less Government vs. Better Government

    Quote Originally Posted by mmi View Post
    Yeah, dissents. I don't see any "slowly rolling some of that crap back," even at a turtle's pace.



    You could just as well argue that "most of us who support the concept of proper constitutional interpretation find Marbury v. Madison to be illegitimate."



    And they've been upheld, over and over and over again.
    true, but that does not make them an honest interpretation of the words of the USC or the intent of the founders

    many liberals don't really care about such things. short term gratification is more than sufficient to them



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    Re: Less Government vs. Better Government

    Quote Originally Posted by cpgrad08 View Post
    If people want to do drugs the government can't stop (which is why the war on drugs is a big bust).
    Any sensible reading of my post makes it obvious I was talking about the regulation of legal drugs. What are you smoking?

    >>I love how you think that government is the reason non of those things have happened. Their should be a level regulations on business. I think you are confusing less government with no government.

    I'd say I know what yer doing, as I've already indicated. You want public safety, but you don't want to admit that government plays an indispensable role in securing it. My guess is you also don't want to pay for it.

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