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    Re: We Donít Leave Our Men or Women in Uniform Behind

    Quote Originally Posted by Beaudreaux View Post
    I don't know about your history or experience Pete, but I've been on actual missions where we went in and got a guy out of terrorist hands by force, and none of those missions required giving up terrorists. It has been released by the DOD that they had "eyes on" this soldier for weeks leading up to the trade. If they knew where he was, they could have sent guys in to get him. I want to know - why not? Maybe it's because an AWOL soldier wasn't worth putting special operator's lives in danger for Obama? Maybe it was because Obama planned on giving these guys up all along and this gave them a chance to get Bergdahl back at the same time? Who knows??? I sure don't, but I damn sure want to know.

    We went in and got Noriega, after we sent SOF in to get a CIA operative out of his hands on the very first day of that conflict. We went in and got two of our guys in Somalia that were being held by Al Qaeda. We went in and got Jessica Lynch in Iraq. Hell, we even went into another sovereign nation (a military invasion by international law) that was supposedly an ally and got Bin Laden, without giving up anyone.

    No, we don't leave anyone behind, if we can. There are guys that walked off their posts in Vietnam and are still there today. There are guys that walked off their post in many conflicts, and this guy wasn't the first. However, this is the first time this country traded high ranking terrorists for anyone... not just a soldier that went AWOL.

    This action by the Obama Administration has put every US citizen abroad in danger of being grabbed to use as ransom for a trade to get more terrorists released.

    For all US citizens that are overseas, the world just became a much, MUCH, more dangerous place. All US citizens, not just those in the military.

    What about Robert Levinson in Iran? He's a CIA operative who has now reached the dubious distinction of being the longest held hostage in US history. Why have we left him behind, now that the government has admitted he was working for them? Why??? Because it doesn't work out that we can always get them back, that's why. You don't give up our sovereign security to get anyone back... never.

    Saying we leave no man behind is great. And, when at all possible, it's true. But, it doesn't always work out that way.
    Those 5 Taliban leaders needed to be released anyway, because with the war in Afghanistan coming to a close with a announced end date, we had to release all captured prisioners of war. Or were we going to hold them in gauntamino without prosecution for the rest of their lives?
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    Re: We Donít Leave Our Men or Women in Uniform Behind

    Quote Originally Posted by Boo Radley View Post
    Sure we do. See Reagan.
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    Re: We Donít Leave Our Men or Women in Uniform Behind

    Quote Originally Posted by Unitedwestand13 View Post
    Those 5 Taliban leaders needed to be released anyway, because with the war in Afghanistan coming to a close with a announced end date, we had to release all captured prisioners of war. Or were we going to hold them in gauntamino without prosecution for the rest of their lives?
    Two questions: When did they become POW's and not terrorist detainees? If they are POW's, then why hasn't the Hague started a War Crimes Tribunal against Bush and Obama since they have not been treated or given the rights of a POW as accorded by both the Hague Conventions and the Geneva Conventions?

    You guys need to be VERY CAREFUL with throwing around these terms when referring to the guys in Gitmo.

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    Re: We Donít Leave Our Men or Women in Uniform Behind

    Quote Originally Posted by Beaudreaux View Post
    Two questions: When did they become POW's and not terrorist detainees? If they are POW's, then why hasn't the Hague started a War Crimes Tribunal against Bush and Obama since they have not been treated or given the rights of a POW as accorded by both the Hague Conventions and the Geneva Conventions?

    You guys need to be VERY CAREFUL with throwing around these terms when referring to the guys in Gitmo.
    Then what is the classifacation of those 5 Taliban and why did no on one try to bring them to trial during their entire stay at gitmo?
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    Re: We Donít Leave Our Men or Women in Uniform Behind

    Quote Originally Posted by Unitedwestand13 View Post
    Then what is the classifacation of those 5 Taliban and why did no on one try to bring them to trial during their entire stay at gitmo?
    Good question. As to the first part of the question, I said that already - "Terrorist Detainees." As to the second, they don't get a trial until we've extracted all actionable intelligence, and besides, Holder and Obama have refused to let a Military Court do a trial, because they want to bring them to US CONUS soil and do a dog and pony show civilian trial giving them full civilian law status rather than the UCMJ which Congress will not allow them to do (thank God).

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    Re: We Donít Leave Our Men or Women in Uniform Behind

    Quote Originally Posted by Unitedwestand13 View Post
    We don't know what motivated bergdahl, but I would rather give him a chance to speak and have his actions be judged at a court marshal, not by the gossip of his soldiers not speaking under oath.
    I would love for him to be given a Court Martial. What plausible counter-narrative could he possibly provide? He was sleepwalking? Went out for a jog?

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    Re: We Donít Leave Our Men or Women in Uniform Behind

    Quote Originally Posted by cpwill View Post
    I would love for him to be given a Court Martial. What plausible counter-narrative could he possibly provide? He was sleepwalking? Went out for a jog?
    The one I've already heard was he was drunk.
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    Re: We Donít Leave Our Men or Women in Uniform Behind

    Quote Originally Posted by Ockham View Post
    The one I've already heard was he was drunk.
    Which A) isn't plausible due to the preparation and B) just adds a violation, it doesn't subtract one.


    The idea that he asked what he needed to leave behind, carefully organized that on his rack for his squad leader to find, then grabbed the materials that he thought he would need in order to hike across the border into India.... and then "accidentally" abandoned the FOB, found alcohol, drank it to excess, and wandered off in the wrong direction intending to return to the unit he had already illegally left is....

    yeah, not terribly more plausible than the sleepwalking idea.

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    Re: We Donít Leave Our Men or Women in Uniform Behind

    Quote Originally Posted by cpwill View Post
    I would love for him to be given a Court Martial. What plausible counter-narrative could he possibly provide? He was sleepwalking? Went out for a jog?
    that he intentionally left to get himself shot?
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    Re: We Donít Leave Our Men or Women in Uniform Behind

    Quote Originally Posted by Unitedwestand13 View Post
    that he intentionally left to get himself shot?
    Yeah I find that about as plausible. If he wanted to kill himself, he had an assault rifle and plenty of ammunition to get the task done.

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