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    Re: We Donít Leave Our Men or Women in Uniform Behind

    Quote Originally Posted by Ray410 View Post
    Absolute nonsense. You don't leave POWs behind, you do what it takes to go in and get them. For crying out loud, they're American fighting men, your buddies, fathers, brothers, children, what are you going to do, just forget about them, go home and have a beer while the enemy tortures and kills them?
    We knew where POWs were held in Viet Nam, in Korea in WWI and II. We got them back at the end of the war, I think. I don't think there were "rescue missions" -- if I'm wrong, my bad.

    Who went to get John McCain?

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    Re: We Donít Leave Our Men or Women in Uniform Behind

    Quote Originally Posted by pbrauer View Post
    I don't know if it's true, but I am hearing the Taliban threatened to kill him.
    I'm sure they weren't filling his pipe and bringing him his slippers - but then again, the claims of threats may be a lie, or it may be the truth. We won't know for a while yet.
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    Re: We Donít Leave Our Men or Women in Uniform Behind

    Quote Originally Posted by Perotista View Post
    I understand, I retired from the army in 1986 and I canít fathom what John McCain went through as a POW, none of any POW in any war either. That is something one must experience to really have an understanding of it. Knock McCain all you want for his job as a senator and for his political beliefs. That is fair game and expected. There is way too much of the politics of personal destruction to suit my fancy today. I firmly believe a campaign should be about ideas, visions, and solutions to problems, not what someone did 30 years or more years ago.

    It is just someone saying McCain was a traitor, that just rubbed me the wrong way. So I took a break and put on a Barney Miller DVD, I own all eight seasons and that put me back into the proper mood. I usually do not let anything said on DP bother me, most of the things said here just roll off my back. But for some reason I just thought that went too far in ones attempt to defend Bergdahl and the swap. Attack or challenge McCain on his statements on the swaps all one wants, I am not sure whether he is for or against it myself, maybe he isnít sure himself. But that is fair game, that is politics, that is what should be done. Not to go back to his POW days and say he was a traitor just because one holds a different political view. Anyway, that is my opinion.

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    Re: We Donít Leave Our Men or Women in Uniform Behind

    Quote Originally Posted by Gaius46 View Post
    They're not deserters until tried and convicted. Until then they deserve the benefit of the doubt. Bring him home and let the military justice system determine his guilt and, if necessary, his punishment.


    There are limits to everything of course but we should do everything within reason to bring all our people home - whether dead or alive. We owe them that much. 5 of theirs for 1 of ours is a no brainer for me. Hell the Israelis have released hundreds to get back one of their own. In that we should emulate them.
    Unless his cohorts in the military say he deserted. Which they did and have. Then there are those six fellow soldiers killed by the Taliban while searching for the deserting piece of ****. He was a GD turncoat who is responsible for SIX deaths. He deserves one thing, a firing squad.
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    Re: We Donít Leave Our Men or Women in Uniform Behind

    Quote Originally Posted by MaggieD View Post
    It doesn't obviously refer to prisononers of war to me, though. To me, it applies to every soldier in trouble. Injured on the battlefield? We won't leave you, buddy. We're here. Helicopter shot down behind enemy lines? We won't leave you, buddy. We're coming.

    In fact, as I think about it, it hardly applies to prisoners of war.
    I would say generally it applies to non-criminal US citizens. If you go into England and murder someone, sorry buddy, you rot in a prison your whole life long. But if you are just a regular American citizen, down in Colombia digging wells for poor villages and FARC nabs you? Well, I would say FARC should suddenly have a SEAL problem.



    However, it's not an absolute concept. We do not do anything to get anyone back. Legitimate criminals (I'm sure FARC would accuse their hostages of Crimes Against The People or some such) can be left behind unless the cost of getting them back is low and the convenience for doing so is high, and we do not negotiate with terrorists because that encourages the targeting of US persons. Frankly, if I was captured by some Islamist nutjobbery organization, I would rather they simply drop as many bombs of the largest size they have lying around on my position, and kill me and every one of my captors, than leave me to be tortured / cost others their lives / have my head hacked off on television.

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    Re: We Donít Leave Our Men or Women in Uniform Behind

    Quote Originally Posted by cpwill View Post
    I would say generally it applies to non-criminal US citizens. If you go into England and murder someone, sorry buddy, you rot in a prison your whole life long. But if you are just a regular American citizen, down in Colombia digging wells for poor villages and FARC nabs you? Well, I would say FARC should suddenly have a SEAL problem.



    However, it's not an absolute concept. We do not do anything to get anyone back. Legitimate criminals (I'm sure FARC would accuse their hostages of Crimes Against The People or some such) can be left behind unless the cost of getting them back is low and the convenience for doing so is high, and we do not negotiate with terrorists because that encourages the targeting of US persons. Frankly, if I was captured by some Islamist nutjobbery organization, I would rather they simply drop as many bombs of the largest size they have lying around on my position, and kill me and every one of my captors, than leave me to be tortured / cost others their lives / have my head hacked off on television.
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    Re: We Donít Leave Our Men or Women in Uniform Behind

    Quote Originally Posted by MaggieD View Post
    We knew where POWs were held in Viet Nam, in Korea in WWI and II. We got them back at the end of the war, I think. I don't think there were "rescue missions" -- if I'm wrong, my bad.

    Who went to get John McCain?
    Son Tay Prison Raid. One of the greatest little-known military stories we have. I am honored to have met and been able to sit down and talk to one of the men who was on the ground.

    In WWII we generally overran the prison camps. Although in the Pacific we did have to launch raids to rescue the guys first, because the Japanese started executing them when it became clear they were going to lose.

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    Re: We Donít Leave Our Men or Women in Uniform Behind

    Quote Originally Posted by Unitedwestand13 View Post
    I don't think you can force a soldier to fight for a war he cannot support.
    Gosh. Good thing we have an all-volunteer military, then, huh?

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    Re: We Donít Leave Our Men or Women in Uniform Behind

    Quote Originally Posted by cpwill View Post
    Gosh. Good thin we have an all-volunteer military, then, huh?
    Maybe the enthusiasm he had when he volunteered disappearedwhen he faced the cruel reality of what was going on in Afghanistan.
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    Re: We Donít Leave Our Men or Women in Uniform Behind

    Quote Originally Posted by Unitedwestand13 View Post
    I don't think you can force a soldier to fight for a war he cannot support.
    Eeeeeehhh...actually, yeah, America can. I'm one of the more liberal people here, but I can tell you this: if the nation sees the need to restart the draft and your number is called, they really don't care about your personal politics - you either go or you become a draft dodger. And it works the same way in pretty much every nation on the planet: if the poop hits the fan and the nation needs warm bodies carrying guns, everyone who's of age, is physically able, and has a one-eyed purple yogurt slinger is available to be drafted whether he likes it or not. And I pray we never see such days again.
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