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    Re: We Donít Leave Our Men or Women in Uniform Behind

    Quote Originally Posted by upsideguy View Post
    I am not asking you to try and judge him. I am asking for third party evidence of how a man can be decreed a deserter and decreed a traitor without a trial.
    Because he is one. He shouldn't be punished as one until he's been tried, sure. But it is the act, not the conviction that makes him one.

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    Re: We Donít Leave Our Men or Women in Uniform Behind

    Quote Originally Posted by Checkerboard Strangler View Post
    They didn't need an American, Bergdahl or any other, to teach them how to use phones as IED's and they didn't need any foreigners to teach them small unit tactics either.
    Which was actually brought up in the interviews with the Taliban where they claimed he was doing this - that they thought his instruction was sort of basic and poor, because they knew all that stuff already.

    Taliban, AQ, and the rest of the insurgent/terrorist groups have known how to use phones to trigger IED's since before the FIRST Gulf War and not only that, they're also skilled in lo-tech tactics like using washing machine timers as well.
    .....that is a broader brush than you may want to paint with. There are plenty of stupid / unskilled / untaught VEO members and affiliates out there.

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    Re: We Donít Leave Our Men or Women in Uniform Behind

    Quote Originally Posted by Boo Radley View Post
    Just for argument's sake:

    Hagel: Rush to judgment that Bergdahl deserted Ďunfairí

    Hagel: Rush to judgment that Bergdahl deserted 'unfair' | The Rundown | PBS NewsHour
    The administration attempts to defend itself?!? Say it ain't so!!!

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    Re: We Donít Leave Our Men or Women in Uniform Behind

    Quote Originally Posted by cpwill View Post
    The administration attempts to defend itself?!? Say it ain't so!!!
    Excuses, excuses. Easier than actual acknowledgment.

    AUSTAN GOOLSBEE: I think the world vests too much power, certainly in the president, probably in Washington in general for its influence on the economy, because most all of the economy has nothing to do with the government.

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    Re: We Donít Leave Our Men or Women in Uniform Behind

    http://azstarnet.com/news/blogs/arti...482441c00.html

    On Thursday half a million “IMPEACH OBAMA FOR LEAVING AN AMERICAN BEHIND IN AFGHANISTAN” signs were found by sanitation workers next to a dumpster behind the Washington-based headquarters of the Republican National Committee.

    G.O.P. chairman Rence Priebus said," We know nothing about the litter found in the alley behind our national office. We suspect this is part of an orchestrated mainstream media smear campaign. For the record, we are opposed to littering."
    So let's all just admit that this has whole thing is just a big game.
    It really doesn't matter if Obama had brought the guy home or hadn't.
    The Repugnicans had plans to skewer him either way.
    If I didn't respond to your diatribe, it's possible you may have
    engaged in revisionism or broad sweeping generalizations.
    I don't have time for either, and you're probably on my IGNORE list.

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    Re: We Donít Leave Our Men or Women in Uniform Behind

    Quote Originally Posted by Checkerboard Strangler View Post
    Broken link.
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    Re: We Donít Leave Our Men or Women in Uniform Behind

    If I didn't respond to your diatribe, it's possible you may have
    engaged in revisionism or broad sweeping generalizations.
    I don't have time for either, and you're probably on my IGNORE list.

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    Re: We Donít Leave Our Men or Women in Uniform Behind

    Quote Originally Posted by cpwill View Post
    Because he is one. He shouldn't be punished as one until he's been tried, sure. But it is the act, not the conviction that makes him one.
    Question.

    Under military law doesn't he have the presumption of innocence that civilians have?

    My understanding is that one of the required elements elements for desertion is that he intended to permanently be away from his unit. Doesn't that mean that someone needs to talk yo him and figure out his intentions before even charging him with desertion?
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    Re: We Donít Leave Our Men or Women in Uniform Behind

    Quote Originally Posted by Gaius46 View Post
    Question.

    Under military law doesn't he have the presumption of innocence that civilians have?
    Not really. In the military the standard is preponderance of evidence, not without-a-doubt.

    My understanding is that one of the required elements elements for desertion is that he intended to permanently be away from his unit. Doesn't that mean that someone needs to talk yo him and figure out his intentions before even charging him with desertion?
    No. It simply requires that that probability be established to the satisfaction of the reviewing officers.

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    Re: We Donít Leave Our Men or Women in Uniform Behind

    Quote Originally Posted by Boo Radley View Post
    Excuses, excuses. Easier than actual acknowledgment.
    .....it is an excuse to point out that the Secretary of Defense is part of an embattled administration?

    of course Hagel is going to defend his boss. It would be extremely problematic if he didn't. Hell, he might very well deserve to be fired if he didn't. I'll put the actual testimony of the veterans who were there against a political guy defending another political guy any day of the week as far as "acknowledgement" goes.

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