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    Re: We Donít Leave Our Men or Women in Uniform Behind

    Quote Originally Posted by Boo Radley View Post
    Yeah, but any opinion is useless if not supported in fact. And the fact is, he hasn't been convicted of any such thing yet.
    Sure. But like the guy found covered in blood and holding the knife, still screaming at the murder victim how much they had it coming, the facts also seem to pretty clearly lay out that he is guilty.

    He's guilty of desertion. He just hasn't been convicted yet, which is why he is not being punished for desertion. Recognizing that the legal system has not yet swung into action does not require us to give up our ability to observe data or apply reason.

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    Re: We Donít Leave Our Men or Women in Uniform Behind

    I never understood the US policy on making it very difficult for soldiers to get out of their contract. If someone wants out and is making that desire known to others then how does it make sense to get in their way? Maybe someone that was in the military can help me understand how that is beneficial to the cause, because honestly, I can't see how that is possible.

    When someone clearly doesn't want to fight exactly why wouldn't they leave?

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    Re: We Donít Leave Our Men or Women in Uniform Behind

    Quote Originally Posted by Henrin View Post
    I never understood the US policy on making it very difficult for soldiers to get out of their contract. If someone wants out and is making that desire known to others then how does it make sense to get in their way? Maybe someone that was in the military can help me understand how that is beneficial to the cause, because honestly, I can't see how that is possible.

    When someone clearly doesn't want to fight exactly why wouldn't they leave?
    No one wants to fight. The point is to do your duty anyway.
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    Re: We Donít Leave Our Men or Women in Uniform Behind

    Quote Originally Posted by Henrin View Post
    I never understood the US policy on making it very difficult for soldiers to get out of their contract. If someone wants out and is making that desire known to others then how does it make sense to get in their way? Maybe someone that was in the military can help me understand how that is beneficial to the cause, because honestly, I can't see how that is possible.

    When someone clearly doesn't want to fight exactly why wouldn't they leave?
    We expend a lot of time and money to train and equip them. That is why some MOS's have longer active duty requirements than others, and follow-on educational benefits come with payback periods.

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    Re: We Donít Leave Our Men or Women in Uniform Behind

    Quote Originally Posted by Gaius46 View Post
    And thankfully we don't throw people in jail based on opinion.
    There have been many people released from prison after serving many years there, based upon the OPINION of 12 jurors, who, it was later proven, got the verdict WRONG. But everybody could be lying in the case of Beau Bergdahl. Right...all his former buddies and companions in the foxhole? And then there's those six who were KIA looking for the dickhead after he deserted.
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    Re: We Donít Leave Our Men or Women in Uniform Behind

    Quote Originally Posted by votemout View Post
    what about traitors or deserters?
    Of course Americans believe that no one can be a traitor or deserter without a fair trial and a fair trial can not be had without the opportunity of the accused to face his accuser and have the opportunity to testify on his/her behalf

    What do you believe in your country?

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    Re: We Donít Leave Our Men or Women in Uniform Behind

    Quote Originally Posted by Jack Hays View Post
    No one wants to fight. The point is to do your duty anyway.
    If someone clearly wants to leave it's not as if you are stronger with them in your ranks. All it really does by keeping them in your ranks is that the government feels as if everyone is doing what they want, but in the meantime this individual that want to leave is a liability and could very well be getting people killed.

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    Re: We Donít Leave Our Men or Women in Uniform Behind

    Quote Originally Posted by HogWash View Post
    There have been many people released from prison after serving many years there, based upon the OPINION of 12 jurors, who, it was later proven, got the verdict WRONG. But everybody could be lying in the case of Beau Bergdahl. Right...all his former buddies and companions in the foxhole?
    And then there's those six who were KIA looking for the dickhead after he deserted.



    When was he convicted of desertion?

    I missed that news release.


    Do we still go by "innocent until proven guilty" ?

    I don't believe that this guy has had a trial yet.

    Maybe we should give him one and let the chips fall where they may.
    Last edited by shrubnose; 06-06-14 at 12:25 AM.

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    Re: We Donít Leave Our Men or Women in Uniform Behind

    Quote Originally Posted by Henrin View Post
    If someone clearly wants to leave it's not as if you are stronger with them in your ranks. All it really does by keeping them in your ranks is that the government feels as if everyone is doing what they want, but in the meantime this individual that want to leave is a liability and could very well be getting people killed.
    That someone is no different from anyone else. He/she does his/her duty or pays the price.
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    Re: We Donít Leave Our Men or Women in Uniform Behind

    Quote Originally Posted by upsideguy View Post
    Of course Americans believe that no one can be a traitor or deserter without a fair trial
    That is inaccurate. Americans believe that no one should be punished for being a traitor or a deserter without legal proceedings except in very special and narrowly defined cases. But you are a deserter or a traitor the moment you commit the deed.

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