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    Re: We Donít Leave Our Men or Women in Uniform Behind

    Quote Originally Posted by PirateMk1 View Post
    No problem. Politics is the art of war with words, everyone has a different philosophy of how to fight. Bottom line its just business and if more people wrap their heads around it the better off we all are.
    Yeah, there is very little that bothers me in politics, for some reason that did. but all is well now. On to bigger and better things.
    This Reform Party member thinks it is high past time that we start electing Americans to congress and the presidency who put America first and their political party further down the line. But for way too long we have been electing Republicans and Democrats who happen to be Americans instead of Americans who happen to be Republicans and Democrats.

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    Re: We Donít Leave Our Men or Women in Uniform Behind

    Quote Originally Posted by Beaudreaux View Post
    Good question. As to the first part of the question, I said that already - "Terrorist Detainees." As to the second, they don't get a trial until we've extracted all actionable intelligence, and besides, Holder and Obama have refused to let a Military Court do a trial, because they want to bring them to US CONUS soil and do a dog and pony show civilian trial giving them full civilian law status rather than the UCMJ which Congress will not allow them to do (thank God).
    then why did the previous administration fail to execute Khalid Sheikh Mohammed when the guy was willing to plead guilty back in 2008?

    The five GuantŠnamo detainees charged with coordinating the Sept. 11 attacks told a military judge on Monday that they wanted to confess in full, a move that seemed to challenge the government to put them to death.

    The request, which was the result of hours of private meetings among the detainees, appeared intended to undercut the government’s plan for a high-profile trial while drawing international attention to what some of the five men have said was a desire for martyrdom.

    But the military judge, Col. Stephen R. Henley of the Army, said a number of legal questions about how the commissions are to deal with capital cases had to be resolved before guilty pleas could be accepted.
    http://www.nytimes.com/2008/12/09/us/09gitmo.html?_r=0

    the guy was willing to plead guilty! and yet nothing happened.
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    Re: We Donít Leave Our Men or Women in Uniform Behind

    Quote Originally Posted by cpwill View Post
    Yeah I find that about as plausible. If he wanted to kill himself, he had an assault rifle and plenty of ammunition to get the task done.
    maybe he thought the taliban would kill him rather than capture him?
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    Re: We Donít Leave Our Men or Women in Uniform Behind

    Quote Originally Posted by Unitedwestand13 View Post
    then why did the previous administration fail to execute Khalid Sheikh Mohammed when the guy was willing to plead guilty back in 2008?



    http://www.nytimes.com/2008/12/09/us/09gitmo.html?_r=0

    the guy was willing to plead guilty! and yet nothing happened.
    Another great question. Because it was KSM that finally gave up how to find out where OBL was hiding. If we had tried and then executed him back in 2008, we never would have gotten that info.

    In other words, as I said before, we can get actionable intelligence from these guys. Even years later, as was done with KSM regarding OBL.

    So, that's why.

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    Re: We Donít Leave Our Men or Women in Uniform Behind

    Quote Originally Posted by Unitedwestand13 View Post
    maybe he thought the taliban would kill him rather than capture him?
    If so then he is guilty.

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    Re: We Donít Leave Our Men or Women in Uniform Behind

    Traitors referring to FOX personnel criticizing the father of Bergdahl ?
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    what about traitors or deserters?
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    Re: We Donít Leave Our Men or Women in Uniform Behind

    Quote Originally Posted by Beaudreaux View Post
    Another great question. Because it was KSM that finally gave up how to find out where OBL was hiding. If we had tried and then executed him back in 2008, we never would have gotten that info.

    In other words, as I said before, we can get actionable intelligence from these guys. Even years later, as was done with KSM regarding OBL.

    So, that's why.
    aperently there was a legal problem

    Among other fundamental issues, Judge Henley asked for analysis of whether the men could be sentenced to death if they pleaded guilty instead of being found guilty by a panel of military officers. Because this week’s proceedings were to consider legal motions to be decided by the judge, no panel was present.

    Another potential hurdle to guilty pleas was a claim by lawyers for two of the detainees that they may not be mentally competent to represent themselves.

    The judge ruled that those two detainees could not make decisions about their cases on Monday. The two are Mr. bin al-Shibh and Mustafa al-Hawsawi, charged as a Qaeda financial operative. In addition to Mr. Mohammed, the other detainees are Walid bin Attash, who is accused of selecting many of the hijackers, and Ammar al-Baluchi, a nephew of Mr. Mohammed who is said to have been one of his key deputies in the Sept. 11 plot.
    http://www.nytimes.com/2008/12/09/us/09gitmo.html?_r=0

    besides i thought the point of capturing these terrorist criminals was to punish them?
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    Re: We Donít Leave Our Men or Women in Uniform Behind

    Quote Originally Posted by Beaudreaux View Post
    Another great question. Because it was KSM that finally gave up how to find out where OBL was hiding. If we had tried and then executed him back in 2008, we never would have gotten that info.

    In other words, as I said before, we can get actionable intelligence from these guys. Even years later, as was done with KSM regarding OBL.

    So, that's why.
    then why is KSM STILL ALIVE???
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    Re: We Donít Leave Our Men or Women in Uniform Behind

    Quote Originally Posted by Perotista View Post
    Yeah, there is very little that bothers me in politics, for some reason that did. but all is well now. On to bigger and better things.
    Such as Impeaching the President?
    Chambliss would have blown the whistle on this deal, much as ISSA and gang have divulged confidential and secret info since 2011.

    The senate elections have taken a bit of a turn eh ?
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    Re: We Donít Leave Our Men or Women in Uniform Behind

    Quote Originally Posted by cpwill View Post
    Which A) isn't plausible due to the preparation and B) just adds a violation, it doesn't subtract one.


    The idea that he asked what he needed to leave behind, carefully organized that on his rack for his squad leader to find, then grabbed the materials that he thought he would need in order to hike across the border into India.... and then "accidentally" abandoned the FOB, found alcohol, drank it to excess, and wandered off in the wrong direction intending to return to the unit he had already illegally left is....

    yeah, not terribly more plausible than the sleepwalking idea.
    Again . . . we are not talking 40-years ago. It was 2009. Why does testimony from members of Bergdahl's company get dismissed so easily when it is so fresh? Does their recent perception of what they went through mean nothing? I know how I feel, I cannot imagine how guy's who lost friends feel. They may have died anyway . . . but on that day they were looking for Bowe . . . at least in their mind's eye. Unless folks think they are lying.

    As I have said before; sometimes there aren't 2-sides to every story. This was one of the most staggering examples of government incompetence in my lifetime.

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