What should we do to convicted child molesters/rapist?

What should we do to convicted child molesters/rapist?

I don't know that castration would do any good, nor do I think it's consistent with the values of our supposedly civilized and enlightened society.
I also disagree with the death penalty (unless the prisoner requests it, and it can be carried out in a humane manner).
So I guess I'd vote for keeping them locked up as long as possible. For life, if possible.

There was a thread about this awhile back and my opinion has not changed...I say any person male or female guilty of these horrendous crimes against a child should be executed and I would volunteeer to pull the switch........

First offense a mandatory 25 year sentence with no consideration for the offender's safety when determining whether or not he goes into general population or not. Release at the close of the 25 years should be contingent upon sex offender registration which should also include a requirement to take a regimen of libido inhibitors for life.

Any secondary offense carries the penalty of death. Limit of one appeal. No exceptions.

jallman said:

First offense a mandatory 25 year sentence with no consideration for the offender's safety when determining whether or not he goes into general population or not. Release at the close of the 25 years should be contingent upon sex offender registration which should also include a requirement to take a regimen of libido inhibitors for life.

Any secondary offense carries the penalty of death. Limit of one appeal. No exceptions.

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We part company on this one my friend..I guess it because I have had a personal experience with one of these animals in that a cousin of mine's daughter was raped and mudered by a scumbag like that.

I don't want to put him in prison with all the cable and colored TVs, palyboy magazines, and state of the art gyms..........No thanks

Navy Pride said:

We part company on this one my friend..I guess it because I have had a personal experience with one of these animals in that a cousin of mine's daughter was raped and mudered by a scumbag like that.

I don't want to put him in prison with all the cable and colored TVs, palyboy magazines, and state of the art gyms..........No thanks

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That opens up a whole different debate about the state of our prison system. I see absolutely no reason for convicted criminals to spend their prison sentences in any kind of comfort at all.

For all the short-comings of the French, they did get one thing right with their prisons: they are pure hell. We could take a cue from them.

jallman said:

Any secondary offense carries the penalty of death. Limit of one appeal. No exceptions.

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What is up with you people who think that denying someone their constitutional right to due process is being "tough on crime"? No, that's called fascism.

jallman said:

That opens up a whole different debate about the state of our prison system. I see absolutely no reason for convicted criminals to spend their prison sentences in any kind of comfort at all.

For all the short-comings of the French, they did get one thing right with their prisons: they are pure hell. We could take a cue from them.

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Have you ever seen an American prison? They're no picnic either, unless maybe you're talking about the county jails where people are just held for a few months.

Imprisoning someone in "pure hell" is not a good idea unless you plan on keeping them in there for life. If it's someone who will eventually be released, I doubt that daily anal rapes will help rehabilitate them.

Kandahar said:

Have you ever seen an American prison? They're no picnic either, unless maybe you're talking about the county jails where people are just held for a few months.

Imprisoning someone in "pure hell" is not a good idea unless you plan on keeping them in there for life. If it's someone who will eventually be released, I doubt that daily anal rapes will help rehabilitate them.

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I don't believe in rehabilitation of child rapists. I am being more than compassionate in conceding a prison sentence rather than a death sentence for the offender of such a heinous crime.

I don't believe hell has to be daily anal rapes. Hard labor and no more amenities than are needed for survival for 25 years would be enough to make me opt for the death penalty first.

5 by 5 cell with a cot and a toilet. A medically approved diet chosen for its limited cost while achieving the objective of providing necessary nutrition and a rack full of hammers used to bust rocks from sun up to sun down every day for the entirety of their sentence. Seems reasonable to me considering they are there to be punished.

Kandahar said:

What is up with you people who think that denying someone their constitutional right to due process is being "tough on crime"? No, that's called fascism.

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No, its called putting an end to the abuse of the appeals process. Big difference.

Kandahar said:

Have you ever seen an American prison? They're no picnic either, unless maybe you're talking about the county jails where people are just held for a few months.

Imprisoning someone in "pure hell" is not a good idea unless you plan on keeping them in there for life. If it's someone who will eventually be released, I doubt that daily anal rapes will help rehabilitate them.

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Agreed; neither rape nor physical violence should not be part of the punitive or rehabilitative process in a civilized and enlightened society.

I don't think it matters how nice the facilities are, how many weight rooms and televisions they have, if the weaker among the prisoners are in constant danger of being beaten and sexually assaulted by the stronger.

Take away all the nice amenities if you want, keep them more isolated from one another if you must and allow them less unsupervised group social time, but for heaven's sake, post enough guards (ethical ones, not corrupt ones) so that the prisoners will all be protected from physical and sexual assault.

NOBODY deserves to be locked away for years with rapists; it's bad enough to be raped, but to be locked up where you can't get away, and know that the rapes will continue day after day, year after year?
Nobody deserves that; not even- god help me- child molesters.
That is not a humane punishment, and it is not one that a civilized society inflicts, even on its most vile and detestable members.
Better you execute them or lock them in solitary confinement forever, than lock them up, unsupervised, with violent predators.
Besides, more often than not, the ones who get preyed upon in prison are not guilty of any heinous crime; they're wimpy young kids locked up for the first time, usually on drug offenses.

This is very important. It's important that when we sentence an 18-year-old to a year in prison for growing marijuana or something, we are not sentencing him to a year of gang-rape, or to being beaten to death, or to being forcibly infected with AIDS.

And it's even more crucial that we ensure the physical safety of inmates in juvenile facilities, because these are just children, regardless of what they've done. And these kids are often preyed upon sexually by older inmates and even sometimes by corrupt adult personnel in the facility (we're having a big scandal about this in Texas right now).

Prisons- both juvenile and adult- need to be made safer.
It doesn't have to be fun or luxurious. It's okay to make them work hard, to make them go back to their cells at night and sit there staring at a wall, rather than allow them to hang out and socialize with their buddies in the common area. Whatever.
Just make sure they aren't having opportunities to rape and beat (or worse, kill) each other.

jallman said:

I don't believe in rehabilitation of child rapists. I am being more than compassionate in conceding a prison sentence rather than a death sentence for the offender of such a heinous crime.

I don't believe hell has to be daily anal rapes. Hard labor and no more amenities than are needed for survival for 25 years would be enough to make me opt for the death penalty first.

5 by 5 cell with a cot and a toilet. A medically approved diet chosen for its limited cost while achieving the objective of providing necessary nutrition and a rack full of hammers used to bust rocks from sun up to sun down every day for the entirety of their sentence. Seems reasonable to me considering they are there to be punished.

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Fair enough. I don't have a problem with people having to work hard in prison, I just have a problem with guards doing nothing to prevent prisoners from physically abusing each other.

jallman said:

No, its called putting an end to the abuse of the appeals process. Big difference.

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But you don't KNOW it's an abuse of the appeals process until you hear the case in a court. That's what the appellate courts determine.

Who says that second or third appeals are never justified?

Kandahar said:

Fair enough. I don't have a problem with people having to work hard in prison, I just have a problem with guards doing nothing to prevent prisoners from physically abusing each other.

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I believe, also, that it is the responsibility of the prison system to keep the prisoners from coming to physical harm or any other abuse.

But you don't KNOW it's an abuse of the appeals process until you hear the case in a court. That's what the appellate courts determine.

Who says that second or third appeals are never justified?

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Okay, I see your point and am willing to concede my "no exceptions" assertion. Appeals, however, should be granted with more discretion than they are now. Trying up our court systems with frivolous appeals is what I have the most problem with.

I almost always agree with 1069 and almost never with Navy Pride. This subject is the exception. I see no reason what so ever to give any pity at all to child molesters. None.. nada ...zip. They are almost as a whole unreformable and unremorseful. The risk to our children isn't worth it. Even if we are 99.9% sure they wouldn't do it again. The .1% chance that they would reoffend is not something I would allow, if the choice were mine to make.

Double Standard Warning!!!! A woman committing molestation on young teens doesn't fall into the same category. These offenders rarely harm the children and too my knowledge don't kill. In fact the male children are normally quiet willing. They eagerly and proactively come back for more. I think these cases are more social taboos transcribed in law than anything actually harming the child. That being said I'm sure there are cases where young teen girls have relationships with grown men willingly and proactively. These crimes are misdemeanors compared to what is normally thought of as child molestation and I believe they should be handled much less harshly depending on the circumstances.

And to the inevitable question "well who gets to decide which is which." my answer is simply " there is wisdom to be had from the mouths of babes." In other words ...ask the children involved. They may be too young to grasp everything, but they can point you toward the right path to take.

Rape also has degrees, I believe. But that's another post .

Kandahar said:

What is up with you people who think that denying someone their constitutional right to due process is being "tough on crime"? No, that's called fascism.

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Exactly how is that 'denying someone their constitutional right to due process'? They were convicted by a jury of their peers, they were again convicted in an appeal. How much more due process is necessary?

Cephus said:

Exactly how is that 'denying someone their constitutional right to due process'? They were convicted by a jury of their peers, they were again convicted in an appeal. How much more due process is necessary?

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If they didn't get a fair trial or were somehow denied their constitutional rights (which is what the appeals process determines), then they haven't been given due process.

Kandahar said:

If they didn't get a fair trial or were somehow denied their constitutional rights (which is what the appeals process determines), then they haven't been given due process.

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Which is why they get a manditory appeal. Or are you suggesting that they were somehow screwed out of their rights twice? Where do we draw the line? 10 appeals? 100? 1000? How many times do they have to be found guilty before we stop letting them abuse the legal system and give them their justly deserved punishment?

Sentencing should be left up the judge. Rape can be as minor as "drunken sex" or quite forcible and violent. Child molestation is more clear cut, but still has some variety. Remember that the definition of child is pre-pubescent, and this is a crime that adults are tried for not teenagers. However, I have no problem with 25 to life sentencing. However, if they are let out, forger this "sex offender" nonsense. Either they are dangerous and they should stay in prison or they are not and shouldn't continue to be punished.

I guess the death penalty....but I am not sure why the option for death penalty w/ castration is there. Seems like a waste of time to me....

WI Crippler said:

I guess the death penalty....but I am not sure why the option for death penalty w/ castration is there. Seems like a waste of time to me....

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Yeah no point in cutting their balls off if you're going to kill them right after.

they should be put in general population where the criminals with some form of right and wrong will deal with them appropriately

WI Crippler said:

I guess the death penalty....but I am not sure why the option for death penalty w/ castration is there. Seems like a waste of time to me....

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That's like when they bother to swab the arm with alcohol before giving a lethal injection....what's the point?

jallman said:

That opens up a whole different debate about the state of our prison system. I see absolutely no reason for convicted criminals to spend their prison sentences in any kind of comfort at all.For all the short-comings of the French, they did get one thing right with their prisons: they are pure hell. We could take a cue from them.

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I agree but in reality that is what is happening and feel good liberals who feel sorry for these SOBs will never let you change it.....

Kandahar said:

Have you ever seen an American prison? They're no picnic either, unless maybe you're talking about the county jails where people are just held for a few months.

Imprisoning someone in "pure hell" is not a good idea unless you plan on keeping them in there for life. If it's someone who will eventually be released, I doubt that daily anal rapes will help rehabilitate them.

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Yeah I have and its a hell of a lot better then being executed........

jallman said:

That's like when they bother to swab the arm with alcohol before giving a lethal injection....what's the point?

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Same reason there was some debate a while back about using compounds that might be carcenogenic. I mean, the guy isn't going to develop cancer, is he? What difference does it make?