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  • Persian Empire

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  • Roman Empire

    30 51.72%
  • Han Empire

    4 6.90%
  • Mayan Empire

    0 0%
  • Mongol Empire

    3 5.17%
  • Portuguese Empire

    0 0%
  • Spanish Empire

    0 0%
  • Russian Empire

    1 1.72%
  • French Empire

    2 3.45%
  • British Empire

    27 46.55%
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    Re: The Greatest Empire in History

    Quote Originally Posted by Ad_Captandum View Post
    Scottish invention, courtesy of John Logie Baird. Seriously, look at what the Scots have invented. It's actually crazy.
    They make great whiskey.

    Still, television was invented by Philo Farnsworth, an American, and Charles Francis Jenkins, another American.

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    Re: The Greatest Empire in History

    Quote Originally Posted by Peter Grimm View Post
    The Internet was invented by Robert E Kahn and Vint Cerf, both Americans.
    but they have publicly stated that "no one person or group of people" invented the Internet
    ‘This is not peace, it is an armistice for 20 years.’ (Ferdinand Foch. After the Treaty of Versailles, 1919).

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    Re: The Greatest Empire in History

    Quote Originally Posted by Higgins86 View Post
    By the dark ages people had forgotten Rome and much of her ruins were not disocvered until much later. There is text in England which shows that many people thought that giants had built the massive structures left behind.
    I'm sure there are folks in rural Alabama that believe America built the pyramids, what's the point?

    Roman influence on Europe is undeniable.

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    Re: The Greatest Empire in History

    Quote Originally Posted by Peter Grimm View Post
    If American influence is really European due to our Anglo-European roots, then what is European is really Roman, due to the massive influence the Roman Empire had on shaping Europe.
    I think there's a strong argument for that, yes. But there's also a much, much more vast institutional gap between Rome-Britain and Britain-America. I definitely agree that much of Europe's history has been shaped by Rome, passed down across the centuries.

    But the United States is directly and pervasively the child of the British Empire. Its institutions, legends, history, culture, language, beliefs, and mindset are all Britain's -- the US is a successor to Britain. Which is obvious, of course, because it was a British colony -- so there's no surprise there.

    The difference lies in the institutional continuity. While William the Conqueror may have thought of Rome as some mythical and grandiose concept (or maybe not), even he, at the beginning of 'England', was 1000 years out from the heyday of the Roman Empire.

    The US, by contrast, was directly moulded by the heyday of the British Empire, which I would say extends from 1815 to 1945, whence it ceased to be a superpower, and America took up the gauntlet. It was a direct successor and in fact continues close relations to this day.

    Ancient England's relationship to Rome was nothing of the sort.

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    Re: The Greatest Empire in History

    Quote Originally Posted by Ad_Captandum View Post
    Another British invention, actually, courtesy of Humphry Davy, a Cornish guy, meaning they can finally be proud that Cornwall has done anything, ever. Though you'll get no argument from me that Thomas Edison made the *best* lightbulb of the era.
    Thomas Edison, an American, invented the light bulb.

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    Re: The Greatest Empire in History

    Quote Originally Posted by Higgins86 View Post
    Thing is most Americans I speak to actually resent America being called an empire.
    That's pretty much been my experience, also. The great majority of Americans with who I associate, consider such competition/comparisons to be banal and irrelevant. This nonsense only ever takes form on the internet. Irl, no one cares.

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    Re: The Greatest Empire in History

    Quote Originally Posted by Peter Grimm View Post
    The Internet was invented by Robert E Kahn and Vint Cerf, both Americans.
    Well, Wikipedia seems to disagree with you.

    Wikipedia seems to think that, as Kahn and Cerf both directly say, they had a part in its creation, but it wasn't their invention -- in fact, it was many peoples', because it's not something that can actually BE invented.

    However, networked computers CAN be invented, and a Briton did it -- Donald Davies..

    The modern format of the Internet, the ubiquitous and universal World Wide Web was invented by Tim Berners-Lee, another Briton.

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    Re: The Greatest Empire in History

    Quote Originally Posted by Ad_Captandum View Post
    A French invention. Nicolas-Joseph Cugnot invented the first automobile that we could vaguely recognise as a car in 1769. You're probably thinking of Henry Ford, who very certainly did NOT invent the first car -- he popularised a particular type of production method for them.
    I'll give you this one. I'd credit Karl Benz from Germany for inventing the first modern "car."

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    Re: The Greatest Empire in History

    Quote Originally Posted by Peter Grimm View Post
    They make great whiskey.

    Still, television was invented by Philo Farnsworth, an American, and Charles Francis Jenkins, another American.
    Wikipedia disagrees with you on this one, too. Wikipedia seems to think Scotsman John Logie Baird invented the television.

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    Re: The Greatest Empire in History

    Quote Originally Posted by Peter Grimm View Post
    Thomas Edison, an American, invented the light bulb.
    No, he emphatically did not. He even admits so in his own personal journals -- his work was based off of many other inventors. The man usually credited with inventing the 'first' light bulb was Humphry Davy, as I said.

    Who was British.

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