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    Re: Do you believe that America should pay reparations to African Americans?

    Quote Originally Posted by Glen Contrarian View Post
    No. While some whites may have been enslaved/raped/murdered/had land stolen, these were very much the EXCEPTIONS to the rule...whereas for blacks it WAS the rule.
    Certain groups were though...

    Up to one-half of all the arrivals in the American colonies were Whites slaves and they were America's first slaves. These Whites were slaves for life, long before Blacks ever were. This slavery was even hereditary. White children born to White slaves were enslaved too.

    Whites were auctioned on the block with children sold and separated from their parents and wives sold and separated from their husbands. Free Black property owners strutted the streets of northern and southern American cities while White slaves were worked to death in the sugar mills of Barbados and Jamaica and the plantations of Virginia.


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    Were white people as a whole group enslaved by America? "You're white, therefore you're a slave"?
    The word slave comes from the Slavs, whites enslaved by the Vikings and the Persians.

    And black people as a whole group were NOT enslaved by America. "You're black, therefore you're a slave" is inaccurate.

    Not all African Americans came to America as slaves; a few came even in the 17th century as free men, sailors working on ships. In the early colonial years, some Africans came as indentured servants, as did most of the immigrants from the British Isles. Such servants became free when they completed their term of indenture; they were also eligible for headrights for land in the new colony in the Chesapeake Bay region, where indentured servants were more common. As early as 1619, a class of free black people existed in North America.

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    We had it nowhere near as bad...and anyone who thinks otherwise is simply speaking out of ignorance.
    No offense but as I am using facts/links and you are not I will kindly think the opposite.
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    Re: Do you believe that America should pay reparations to African Americans?

    Quote Originally Posted by Glen Contrarian View Post
    You mean America enslaved and abused everyone at one point in history or another?

    Oh, wait, you mean ALL THE WORLD, and not America...by which you mean that we shouldn't be responsible for anything America has ever done since other people did it too....
    That is not what he is saying... but why should some oppressed classes receive money and not others? That is his point.
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    Re: Do you believe that America should pay reparations to African Americans?

    Quote Originally Posted by radcen View Post
    While I am adamantly opposed to reparations, this particular argument is irrelevant and off-the-mark, IMO. *I* never did anything wrong, either, but the issue isn't really whether or not we as individuals did anything wrong, the issue is whether or not the government did something wrong, and whether we like it or not the government works in our name and with our complicit approval.
    Not really. Not one of us cast a single vote for the people who allowed and sanctioned slavery. Not one of us cast a single vote for the people who appointed Supreme Court Justices who kept slavery fully intact in the USA for quite some time. I would bet a good state dinner that if we polled every member of Congress tonight and every Supreme Court justice and every bureaucrat heading a government office, we would get 100% results with no exceptions that every single one would oppose slavery, segregation, and would vote against repeal of the Civil Rights Act.

    And when it comes to the more destructive policies of government these days, I consistently vote for people who oppose them and would vote to reverse them, and I speak out against them every time somebody gives me a soapbox to stand on. I have a hard time accepting responsibility for that which I do not support or any complicity in the tragic results.
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    Re: Do you believe that America should pay reparations to African Americans?

    Quote Originally Posted by Glen Contrarian View Post
    You mean America enslaved and abused everyone at one point in history or another?
    Everyone abused everyone at one point in history or another. The reparations game is really just a fools game of picking a random date and declaring that to be the start of history.

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    Re: Do you believe that America should pay reparations to African Americans?

    Quote Originally Posted by ThePlayDrive View Post
    LOL, the prosperity of this country and all the benefits that come with it is, in GREAT PART, due to slave labor. What the **** kind of question is that?
    Yea I didn't think you'd answer. What specifically?

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    Re: Do you believe that America should pay reparations to African Americans?

    Quote Originally Posted by Glen Contrarian View Post
    Okay, let's address the immigration thing. We did amnesty - which I believed then and now was the right thing - and now we've got another illegal immigrant problem. It seems quite logical, then, to say that amnesty doesn't work, right?

    Thing is, what can prevent illegal immigration? A wall? Hardly. Anyone who thinks a wall from the Pacific to the Gulf would stop illegal immigration doesn't know human beings. There is one thing and one thing only that will effectively end illegal immigration - if Mexico's economy is as prosperous (and as safe) as our own (or if ours is as bad as theirs, which is why we've had zero net immigration for the past few years). Unless we get their economy to be almost as prosperous as our own, we're always going to have an illegal immigration problem...which, according to the Chamber of Commerce, is something that requires immigration reform ASAP. It doesn't matter that Reagan's amnesty didn't fix the problem forever - it needs fixing again...and likely will twenty or thirty more years down the road.

    So how does this apply to the debate on reparations? What we have done to African Americans was and continues to be a shame. If we pay reparations, those problems won't go away - in fact, it's possible they might worsen from the backlash from those who oppose reparations for whatever reason. But the problem is still there, and needs fixing...even with such a bubble-gum-and-bailing-wire solution as reparations. We can't allow the possibility that things won't improve or might even worsen stop us from doing what we can to make things better.
    I'm sure you'll disagree, but my point regarding amnesty is that it was an abject failure, and that we shouldn't be doing things as a matter of public policy that don't have some sort of tangible benefit. That, combined with your acknowledgment that reparations would possibly only incite further backlash, only serves to reinforce my position. We would gain nothing, and government is not (should not be) in the position of "feel good" activities.
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    Re: Do you believe that America should pay reparations to African Americans?

    Quote Originally Posted by radcen View Post
    I'm sure you'll disagree, but my point regarding amnesty is that it was an abject failure, and that we shouldn't be doing things as a matter of public policy that don't have some sort of tangible benefit. That, combined with your acknowledgment that reparations would possibly only incite further backlash, only serves to reinforce my position. We would gain nothing, and government is not (should not be) in the position of "feel good" activities.
    It's not whether it was a good thing or a bad thing, but it was a necessary thing. As long as our economy is so much better than Mexico's, they WILL come here no matter what we try to do to stop them - the idea that a 2000-mile wall could do it is ludicrous. If we want to stop illegal immigration from Mexico, we need to make sure their economy's at least nearly as good and as prosperous as our own. That's the only real solution. The ideas of walls, of checks to see if one can work legally, of holding employers accountable - and of amnesty for illegals - ...these are all band-aids for the gaping wound. The wound is the Mexican economy, and it needs to heal.

    Think about it - if their own country is safe and prosperous and free, why would they want to come here and become criminals as soon as they cross the border? Sure, some would, especially if they're criminals already running from the Federales...but our own criminals do the same, running for the border: such will always happen between any two nations that share a physical border. But the key is to improve their economy to the point where their regular people don't feel that they need to cross the border and immediately become criminals just so they can provide for their families.
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    Re: Do you believe that America should pay reparations to African Americans?

    Reparations should never be paid, except perhaps by the actual persons who committed the deed.

    Taking money from several generations removed people to pay reparations for some event or chain of events decades or centuries ago is unacceptable.
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    Re: Do you believe that America should pay reparations to African Americans?

    Hell, I think I should be properly compensated after reading some dog-dumb opinions on this thread.

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    Re: Do you believe that America should pay reparations to African Americans?

    Quote Originally Posted by RabidAlpaca View Post
    If I'm white and my great great great great great grandfather, who I never met and know nothing about was a slave, do I get free money too?

    If you weren't a slave yourself, you don't deserve free money. If we're going to start paying people for what happened to their ancestors, I think the Jews are first in line.
    Funny thing actually the Jews did get their compensation for the Holocaust. Germany payed reparations to Israel when it was just created.
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