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    Re: Is the culture war over?

    Quote Originally Posted by lizzie View Post
    It is never over, as concepts and ideas are in an ever-changing flux, dependent on what a particular culture needs at any given point in time. Once a subset of ideas takes us to a point of unsustainability (or instability), a different subset will take hold, and we will move in a different direction.
    I agree, but a good idea generally gets better, not worse. Being accepting of gays has no downside or point of unsustainability, unless you're religious (and even then, it's below eating shellfish on the sin-o-meter).

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    Re: Is the culture war over?

    Quote Originally Posted by Amadeus View Post
    I agree, but a good idea generally gets better, not worse. Being accepting of gays has no downside or point of unsustainability, unless you're religious (and even then, it's below eating shellfish on the sin-o-meter).
    Yeah, I was really referring more to the things that can cause fluctuations in economic stability long term, or major shifts in populations and natural resource consumption. To me, those are the biggies.
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    Re: Is the culture war over?

    Quote Originally Posted by Amadeus View Post
    It seems that America has shifted liberal, especially on social issues. From a liberal perspective, there's always room for improvement... but short of a cataclysm where society has to rebuild itself, is it safe to say the culture war is over? Seems that the heavy lifting is done, and its now all momentum.

    What are your thoughts?
    The problem is that most liberal policy items cost a lot of money raise the cost of production and reduce efficiency of the overall economy. As we already have a very large national debt and are competing with low cost economies with huge numbers of relatively well educated and disciplined but starving people liberal policies will overstretch society. Going in that direction is a fools game, though lots of voters love the honey.

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    Re: Is the culture war over?

    Quote Originally Posted by Amadeus View Post
    It seems that America has shifted liberal, especially on social issues. From a liberal perspective, there's always room for improvement... but short of a cataclysm where society has to rebuild itself, is it safe to say the culture war is over? Seems that the heavy lifting is done, and its now all momentum.

    What are your thoughts?
    No. The 'culture wars' aren't over and the 'heavy lifting' is not 'done'. Traditionalists are still strongly resisting social progress and marginalized groups are still working very hard to even be heard in our society. Beyond that, every generation develops a new idea of progress that the previous generation resists so the only way for this to ever be over is for humanity to become extinct.

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    Re: Is the culture war over?

    Quote Originally Posted by Amadeus View Post
    It seems that America has shifted liberal, especially on social issues. From a liberal perspective, there's always room for improvement... but short of a cataclysm where society has to rebuild itself, is it safe to say the culture war is over? Seems that the heavy lifting is done, and its now all momentum.

    What are your thoughts?
    The shift to social liberalism just over my lifetime has been nothing short of tectonic, whether it comes to minority rights, LGBT rights, social responsibility, respect for other religions, or the chimera of "American exceptionalism". I say that short of a true catastrophe - one that knocks out the internet worldwide - this trend will continue to grow and solidify.

    As society shifts farther to the left, the more the right will shrink and become ever more hardened to their beliefs - and this is going to cause quite a bit of trouble over the years. But the left's embrace of multiculturalism is bearing fruit at long last - and it's driving the ever-more-lily-white right absolutely nuts.
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    Re: Is the culture war over?

    Regardless of who wins the current battles, there are always new battles coming.
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    Re: Is the culture war over?

    I think that success is the worst enemy of conservatism, the second that people don't have to worry about putting food on the tables and a roof over their head, the second that live becomes relatively easy, they stop working hard and start holding their hands out and that's what we've seen happen in the U.S. over the past 40 years. The standard of living for even the most destitute in America is far, far above most other nations on the planet. We have tons of money, lots of it borrowed from China, to throw around and now, people want more and more and more and they don't have to work for it. Conservatism is about hard work and making things better for yourself and your family and those around you but we have no conservative party in America. Those religious liberals running the GOP don't count, they wouldn't know conservatism if it bit them. We really have nowhere else to go and now we have a bunch of lazy, self-satisfied liberals who don't have to worry about the essentials, now they just want to run everyone else's lives.
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    Re: Is the culture war over?

    Quote Originally Posted by Amadeus View Post
    It seems that America has shifted liberal, especially on social issues. From a liberal perspective, there's always room for improvement... but short of a cataclysm where society has to rebuild itself, is it safe to say the culture war is over? Seems that the heavy lifting is done, and its now all momentum.

    What are your thoughts?
    It might be but I have doubts. I have a sneaking suspicion social conservatism is going to see a resurgence coming from unexpected circles, I'll leave it at that.

    PS. Interesting data: according to the CDC, both the abortion and the teen pregnancy rates are at all time lows UNDER THE OBAMA ADMINISTRATION. Sociologists credit the influence of MTV. Whoda thunk?
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    Re: Is the culture war over?

    Quote Originally Posted by Smeagol View Post
    It might be but I have doubts. I have a sneaking suspicion social conservatism is going to see a resurgence coming from unexpected circles, I'll leave it at that.

    PS. Interesting data: according to the CDC, both the abortion and the teen pregnancy rates are at all time lows UNDER THE OBAMA ADMINISTRATION. Sociologists credit the influence of MTV. Whoda thunk?
    I think they will go underground for maybe a generation and then rise up with a new set of leaders better adapted to today's social reality. I see more and more that these groups are creating alternative cultures to preserve their heritage.

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    Re: Is the culture war over?

    Quote Originally Posted by Glen Contrarian View Post
    The shift to social liberalism just over my lifetime has been nothing short of tectonic, whether it comes to minority rights, LGBT rights, social responsibility, respect for other religions, or the chimera of "American exceptionalism". I say that short of a true catastrophe - one that knocks out the internet worldwide - this trend will continue to grow and solidify.

    As society shifts farther to the left, the more the right will shrink and become ever more hardened to their beliefs - and this is going to cause quite a bit of trouble over the years.
    But the left's embrace of multiculturalism is bearing fruit at long last - and it's driving the ever-more-lily-white right absolutely nuts.
    I've actually seen people make the argument (not here, yet, thankfully) that right-wing violence, such as the case of Anders Brevik (the guy who killed all those kids in Norway), is actually the fault of "the left" because of the advancement of socially liberal policies. If those damn liberals wouldn't stop being all inclusive and stuff, then right-wing nutbags like Brevik wouldn't feel the urge to go kill 50+ kids.

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