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Do you believe in American Exceptionalism?

Do you believe in American Exceptionalism?

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Travis007 said:
we are the worlds police for democracy and for world order.. period
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"Democracy" and "world order".. yeaa tell that to many of the democracies we overthrew and the countries/regions we have destabilized.

with that comes ultimate responsiblity and hence makes us exceptional..period.
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You see the thing is many countries have claimed the same thing in history, and many of these countries stepped down from the table. So therefore doesnt make us "unusual" (exceptional)...
 
TheDemSocialist said:
"Democracy" and "world order".. yeaa tell that to many of the democracies we overthrew and the countries/regions we have destabilized.


You see the thing is many countries have claimed the same thing in history, and many of these countries stepped down from the table. So therefore doesnt make us "unusual" (exceptional)...
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They do not have the capacity or ethics to do what we do for the world.. well at least Pre Obama we did..

as far as your "complaints"... like I said.. I dont beleive it was Nigeria that stopped Hitler.. etc..
 
Travis007 said:
They do not have the capacity or ethics to do what we do for the world.. well at least Pre Obama we did..
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1.)I was talking about historically
2.)We still do. No matter how much you hate Obama we still have a unbelievably inflated military.


as far as your "complaints"... like I said.. I dont beleive it was Nigeria that stopped Hitler.. etc..
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I'm not sure about any jingoism associated with the question, but according to the definition: "unusual; not typical," I guess I'd go with yes.
 
TheDemSocialist said:
1.)I was talking about historically
2.)We still do. No matter how much you hate Obama we still have a unbelievably inflated military.



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to be honest I dont give your posts much credence..
 
Travis007 said:
I felt like it.. but your words are just liberal trash..
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Nothing like implying all arguments that disagree with you as "liberal trash". Defeats the purpose of having a logical debate.
 
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TheDemSocialist said:
Nothing like implying all arguments that disagree with you as "liberal trash". Defeats the purpose of having a logical debate.
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Im really fine with that.. there is not a chance we will ever agree on anything.... I just glance at your posts at most to be honest..
 
US Conservative said:
I'd argue that the USA is exceptional by nearly all measures. Historically, militarily, culturally, socially, scientifically, agriculturally, and industrially.
No other nation comes close across these measures, and the continued flooding to our shores of the worlds immigrants suggests others see it this way as well.
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I disagree. My own country for example hasn't been invaded for nearly 1000 years, invented a language spoken and read worldwide, conquered a third of the world, industrialised the world and even today our culture is celebrated worldwide from Shakespeare to the world cup.
 
CRUE CAB said:
Glad you agree.
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No i dont. Because those claims are nothing but conspiracy crap unfounded in non factual information that has been debunked over and over again.
 
Leo said:
I have not entered your poll because, as with many others here, I do not readily fall into the arbitrary categories. However, that is not to say that yours is not an interesting and thought provoking question, or that I do not have a point of view on the matter.

Any -ism is essentially ideological, and the definition published in the Wikipedia is merely the view of the contributor/s concerned. The term American Exceptionalism is used variously, and there is no universal definition governing its use.

Is the USA as a society, and are Americans as a people, exceptional? I would say so, but only to the extent that every society is atypical in many ways. Do I believe in American Exceptionalism - of course not! The term and concept is redolent of inherent and intrinsic superiority, and is as ridiculous as believing in intrinsic conservative or socialist superiority. We are all different, with varying strengths and weaknesses.

There is no best country on earth, and none of us is inherently superior, irrespective of our geographic location, or socio-political beliefs. That is a nonsensical and puerile concept.

It is my view that Americans are accomplished enough, intelligent enough, and generous enough, not to have to bolster their self-confidence with such adolescent self-promotion. You simply have no need of it. :)
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You are demonstrating the traits of several posters here. Despite a clearly defined and clarified definition, you decide to "feel" what the definition is. At that point we are no longer discussing the same topic. You think the question actually is "should americans believe they are superior". That was not the question. Lets not turn this into the oxygen network.
 
TheDemSocialist said:
Actually thats not entirely true. Many national liberation causes that are also socialist use nationalism. They use nationalism as an anti-imperialist ideology for their liberation. Examples of this would be Fatah, DFLP, Black Panthers, Partisan movements during WW2, etc.
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Lets not confuse ethnic socialist groups and arab socialism (its own distinct brand) with the general rule. Arguing that the exceptions are significant is wasting everyones time. Its true enough.
 
Andalublue said:
There are forms of socialism that have operated on a nationalist basis, but you'd have to say that Marx was fairly clear that nationalism is a bourgeois construction of post-feudal capitalism. At best he argued that it could be a feature of the transitional phase between capitalism and communism. For me there seem to be too many inherent conflicts for nationalism and socialism to be compatible.
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Its a distinct form we have seen before, and is making a resurgence in Europe. The Nazi's and Fascists saw themselves as socialists, but also were nationalists.
 
TheDemSocialist said:
:roll: So being the policemen of the world make us exceptional? Having a huge military and being the world militaristic force makes us exceptional? Going on bombing campaigns makes us exceptional? Having a military industrial complex which partially dominates our politics and our economy makes us exceptional?
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In a way it does. Because there is no other nation that could do the same. Frankly we have been western europes protector for too long, we should leave those socialists to the Russians and see how they like them apples.
 
Higgins86 said:
I disagree. My own country for example hasn't been invaded for nearly 1000 years, invented a language spoken and read worldwide, conquered a third of the world, industrialised the world and even today our culture is celebrated worldwide from Shakespeare to the world cup.
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The UK is clearly exceptional. In fact one reason given for the apparent discrepancy between England, Scotland, and Ireland is not so much that the Scots and Irish are inferior, but that the English historically have been the exception. There might be a point there.

That said, the UK has been in decline for some time but in many measures is still exceptional. Perhaps the US isn't far behind.
 
American exceptionalism? Okay, America is the first culture in history to become decadent without first being civilized. Does that work? If not, ask someone who lives in a tourist destination anywhere in the world how exceptional Americans are.
 
Grand Mal said:
American exceptionalism? Okay, America is the first culture in history to become decadent without first being civilized. Does that work? If not, ask someone who lives in a tourist destination anywhere in the world how exceptional Americans are.
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Sounds like someone is jelly. :mrgreen:
 
ChrisL said:
Sounds like someone is jelly. :mrgreen:
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Yeah, that's it. That's what I was saying. I wish I was American.
(grin!)
 
ChrisL said:
I knew you were jelly! :mrgreen: America is sexy, and you know it!
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Oh, no doubt. Americans are the sexiest people in the world and the US is the bestest place on earth. I sincerely hope that my karma allows my next incarnation to be born in Saginaw or Columbus or Boise or anywhere Alaska.
 
Grand Mal said:
Oh, no doubt. Americans are the sexiest people in the world and the US is the bestest place on earth. I sincerely hope that my karma allows my next incarnation to be born in Saginaw or Columbus or Boise or anywhere Alaska.
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I think you'd enjoy Texas. You have a cowboy avatar.
 
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