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Thread: Do you believe in American Exceptionalism?

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    Re: Do you believe in American Exceptionalism?

    Absolutely. The problem is I have found over the years, few can accept the multitude of definitions of American Exceptionalism. It always seems to run into if you don't believe America ought to be an empire spreading democracy and that if you don't believe that America is the best at everything, you don't believe in American exceptionalism.

    I shall see how many people believe either of these two things.
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    Re: Do you believe in American Exceptionalism?

    Quote Originally Posted by TheDemSocialist View Post
    Hell no. What makes us so much "exceptional than other countries"?
    Ill let one of the greatest current TV shows to explain the rest: https://www.youtube.com/watch?v=q49NOyJ8fNA
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    That being said, our main character's point hinged upon rejecting a core principle of American exceptionalism: that for better or for worse, America is different from a large section of the world or western civilization. So, any incredible negative statistic that seems an anomaly for "developed" or "democratized" regimes fits within the narrative of American Exceptionalism.
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    Re: Do you believe in American Exceptionalism?

    Quote Originally Posted by US Conservative View Post
    A stark contrast to our current POTUS.
    He contradicted himself in this speech as opposed to countless other speeches he has made. Check out the speech he made upon the passage of the ACA. Then watch Boehner's speech the same night. Both Obama and Boehner accepted American Exceptionalism, but came with differing opinions as to whether or not the ACA fulfilled that or not.

    Should you request it, I could try to find them both again. I used to have them on stand-by to discuss American exceptionalism in classes.
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    Re: Do you believe in American Exceptionalism?

    Quote Originally Posted by US Conservative View Post
    Im shocked you dont think the US is a shining example. Pray tell what nation you think IS a shining example?
    The United States does not have to be a shining example of "best" in order for it to be exceptional. Exceptional is, as per the Wiki that you cite heavily (which may have been derived from another text I will recommend later on), based on the notion that the United States or the land prior to unification circa the 1770s was different. Being different is exceptional, whether for better or for worse. Point in fact, if the United States has a higher per capita rate of gun violence than most or, say, all "developed nations" or whatever other standard, that is a demonstration of American Exceptionalism. If Americans continue to believe that their lot in life is based more on individual initiative and hard work than other "developed nations" or "Europe," that too is an affirmation of American Exceptionalism. If individuals in the United States have a statistically higher chance of seeing themselves as members or aligned to their nation-state than the rest of the "developed nations" or "European countries," this is also an affirmation of American Exceptionalism.

    In terms of whether or not the United States has a divine mission, or perhaps some derivative Hegelian destiny to propel the world forward in History (with the capital H), that is also American Exceptionalism.

    Furthermore, the widespread belief of American Exceptionalism gives credence to American Exceptionalism.

    There were two great, shall we say, neoconservative entries on the modern conception of American Exceptionalism. Seymour Martin Lipset, American Exceptionalism: A Double Edged Sword, and Peter H. Shuck and James Q. Wilson, Understanding America: The Anatomy of an Exceptional Nation.


    Another great one to read, since it's available everywhere, is John Winthrop's speech, "A Model of Christian Charity." Pay particular attention to the somewhat martyrdom he puts their experiment with. Americans have long held the belief that if they fail to live up to their high standards (standards which change over time), not only will they fail, but the world will fail, and God (or History) will make an example of us falling from grace. We put a lot of pressure on ourselves to do right. Hence, we Americans can't merely act like everyone else...we have to be "better" than the rest. This means when liberals reacted negatively to "enhanced interrogation," they too were relying on American Exceptionalist rhetoric. To them, it may be true that barbaric countries (or perhaps the rest of the world, if they were given the opportunity) use torture, but "we Americans" absolutely cannot, because we are "above that."
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    Re: Do you believe in American Exceptionalism?

    Quote Originally Posted by US Conservative View Post
    Im not here to debate your political lean, but if fiscal conservancy, and minimal govt interference are your thing Id suggest you aren't left leaning.
    You asked. I was courteous and answered. There a problem with that?
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    Re: Do you believe in American Exceptionalism?

    That's the problem in this world. Everyone thinks that they are the exception and they try to impose their exceptionalism on others. It's a very dangerous concept.

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    Re: Do you believe in American Exceptionalism?

    When you are on the top there is always somebody to knock you down. A mediocre country can last forever. A great country will always be taken down. It's human nature.

    People throw rocks at things that shine. Enough rocks and it's going to fall down. We can't be the best country in the world forever but that's nothing to feel bad about. Leaders are overthrown all the time. That's nothing unusual. The United States is no exception thus the name exceptionalism?? Are we supposed to be the exception to the rule?

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    Re: Do you believe in American Exceptionalism?

    Quote Originally Posted by Lord of Planar View Post
    I would like to vote right leaning yes, but there no longer is American exceptionalism. Liberalism has pretty much destroyed everything that makes America great, with politically correct policies.
    This post here is why I sometimes haye discussing politics. What a load of self serving hyperpartisan tripe. Grow the **** up.
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    Re: Do you believe in American Exceptionalism?

    Quote Originally Posted by US Conservative View Post
    Do you mean that in your own personal self-assessment you sit precisely in the middle?
    I believe that it is impossible for someone to be "precisely in the middle", but I consider myself close enough to be so for practical purposes. I think I slight just a tad to the right, yet not so much so that I identify with the right.


    Quote Originally Posted by US Conservative View Post
    I agree that govt has seen to it to stifle progress with over regulation-but thats what govt's do-power takes care of itself, even to the detriment of its people.
    Agreed. It has always been that way for some cultures, though. Not ours. Our stifling is relatively recent. To the level it is now, I mean.
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    Re: Do you believe in American Exceptionalism?

    But what about us folks who stoop more than they lean and who think that we are a great place to live,but have our faults,and that there are other great places to live complete with their faults as well?
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