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  • Im not American, yes.

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  • Im a right leaning American, no.

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    Re: Do you believe in American Exceptionalism?

    Quote Originally Posted by US Conservative View Post
    Are you saying you are precisely in the middle, with no lean whatsoever? The reason I split up the poll choices like this was for comparison.
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    Re: Do you believe in American Exceptionalism?

    Quote Originally Posted by US Conservative View Post
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    Re: Do you believe in American Exceptionalism?

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    The key word in describing the concept of American Exceptionalism is "unique". It does NOT mean we are "better", to wit;

    American exceptionalism is the theory that the United States is qualitatively different from other nation states. - source

    I may agree that the US is unique or different but NOT superior, to all other nations. For example, there are certain myths that have been spawned over this last decade, basically from the right, that the US is some kind of moral and/or righteous paragon that has been ordained by God herself, to lead the world out of darkness. ---- I think not. That comes from "Christian Reconstructionism" and "Dominionism. But this is just one facet of a many sided concept.

    Yes, the US is unique but hardly a shining example for the world to emulate and it certainly doesn't give us any authority to assume world leadership based on that.

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    Re: Do you believe in American Exceptionalism?

    Quote Originally Posted by Paschendale View Post
    Alright, let's talk about your criteria. "Historically, militarily, culturally, socially, scientifically, agriculturally, and industrially."

    Historically... what does that even mean? Our history is better than other country's history? It's the same history. And, as we said before, we can't rest on our laurels. Militarily doesn't matter, but the most exceptional nation isn't the one that wins wars, it's the one that prevents them. Culturally... again very vague. We're the country whose culture involves mass shootings and denial of science. There's plenty we have to be ashamed of. Socially? Our people aren't ranked happiest in the world. We're also not the healthiest. Scientifically used to be true. It might still be. But it's waning. If keep up this science denial and religious bluster, we'll lose it. It's already begun. Agriculturally? How is this even a criterion? And how exactly are you quantifying it? We produce a lot of food, but we also use up a whole lot more resources than equivalent populations in other countries. Same for industry.

    Justify us as superior in any of those criteria. Though you have to first justify why half of them matter as criteria in the first place.
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    Re: Do you believe in American Exceptionalism?

    Quote Originally Posted by Paxaeon View Post
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    The key word in describing the concept of American Exceptionalism is "unique". It does NOT mean we are "better", to wit;

    American exceptionalism is the theory that the United States is qualitatively different from other nation states. - source

    I may agree that the US is unique or different but NOT superior, to all other nations. For example, there are certain myths that have been spawned over this last decade, basically from the right, that the US is some kind of moral and/or righteous paragon that has been ordained by God herself, to lead the world out of darkness. ---- I think not. That comes from "Christian Reconstructionism" and "Dominionism. But this is just one facet of a many sided concept.

    Yes, the US is unique but hardly a shining example for the world to emulate and it certainly doesn't give us any authority to assume world leadership based on that.
    Im shocked you dont think the US is a shining example. Pray tell what nation you think IS a shining example?

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    Re: Do you believe in American Exceptionalism?

    Quote Originally Posted by PirateMk1 View Post
    I am very libertarian in my views. Socially liberal, fiscally conservative, minimal government interference.
    Im not here to debate your political lean, but if fiscal conservancy, and minimal govt interference are your thing Id suggest you aren't left leaning.

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    Re: Do you believe in American Exceptionalism?

    Quote Originally Posted by US Conservative View Post
    Im shocked you dont think the US is a shining example. Pray tell what nation you think IS a shining example?
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    Re: Do you believe in American Exceptionalism?

    Quote Originally Posted by US Conservative View Post
    I'd argue that the USA is exceptional by nearly all measures. Historically, militarily, culturally, socially, scientifically, agriculturally, and industrially.
    No other nation comes close across these measures, and the continued flooding to our shores of the worlds immigrants suggests others see it this way as well.
    Does that mean we should be using that exceptionalist mentality to invade and bomb anyone we choose with no concern for the consequences? The "We're Americans so we do whatever the **** we want" mentality is the reason America has so many enemies in the first place. It's not because of envy.

    I've been around the world more than once, and there's nothing intrinisic about us that makes us so special that we should disregard the lives and rights of the rest of the human beings we share the world with..

    The only thing intrinsically "special" about our country is that we actually have people who think that we are objectively superior to all other nations.
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    Re: Do you believe in American Exceptionalism?

    It's not American Exceptionalism but Immigrant Exceptionalism.

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    Re: Do you believe in American Exceptionalism?

    Where we concede that any large group of people, sufficiently motivated, can achieve broad cultural exceptionality, what does a national perspective mean, unless to imply that certain nations have a monopoly on ability?

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