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Thread: Do you believe in American Exceptionalism?

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    Re: Do you believe in American Exceptionalism?

    Quote Originally Posted by US Conservative View Post
    So you want others to spoon feed you. Not exactly shattering those liberal stereotypes, are you?
    you're an asshole
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    Re: Do you believe in American Exceptionalism?

    Quote Originally Posted by APACHERAT View Post
    If Obama is lerking around on the DP, he probably can't vote because there's no > leaning left internationalist, no < option.
    Indeed. However, I guess it does make Obama an exceptional president in that sense.

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    Re: Do you believe in American Exceptionalism?

    Quote Originally Posted by PirateMk1 View Post
    You don't have a box for my choice. American. I believe in American exceptionalism.

    "American exceptionalism is about the exception to the rule or the exception to the norm, not that we're better people, not that we have better DNA, not that we're smarter. We've had more freedom. We've had more liberty." Rush Limbaugh.
    Rugged individualism is the belief that all individuals, or nearly all individuals, can succeed on their own and that government help for people should be minimal.
    Are you saying you are precisely in the middle, with no lean whatsoever? The reason I split up the poll choices like this was for comparison.

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    Re: Do you believe in American Exceptionalism?

    Quote Originally Posted by US Conservative View Post
    Indeed. However, I guess it does make Obama an exceptional president in that sense.
    Not exceptional, just out of step from the other 43 Presidents before him.

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    Re: Do you believe in American Exceptionalism?

    Quote Originally Posted by Paschendale View Post
    Influence does not equate to exception. Wars not make one great.

    And this discussion is entirely about value judgments. Exceptional compared to other nations means exactly "better". Or "worse", I suppose. But I doubt that's your intent with this thread.

    The US has exceptional ideals and is an exceptional nation when we follow them. We are not, unfortunately, exceptional at doing that.
    Agreed, influence is not the same as exceptional-but that was not my point. Im saying that exceptional nations typically have a large military. Historically if they did not-they were taken over by someone who did have that military.

    Exceptional means something counter to the rule. The communist regimes of the last century were exceptional in their massacres and genocides, for example. That does not mean they are "good".

    Im talking about objective criteria here. We lead the world in most of these parameters. We are exceptional-that does not mean we are better or good-theres a difference.

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    Re: Do you believe in American Exceptionalism?

    You make a poll asking a question then proceed to make the largest fraction of the replies in this thread thus far US Conservative.(I counted) 19 replies out of 44. Almost half. And all of them in the purpose of ego masturbation.

    I guess if there is something like american exceptionalism, it's the exceptional ability of americans to masturbate their egos if this thread is anything to go by. Cheers.

    Here's a hint dude. Exceptionalism, quality... these sort things, are worth more, carry more nobility and weight, if they aren't bragged about. The moment you brag about it, it becomes less so. It cheapens it. It's like bragging you have a big dick. If you really have a big dick, then there's no surprise when you whip it out because people already know what to expect. If it turns out you don't have a bick dick, you'll be laughed at.

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    Re: Do you believe in American Exceptionalism?

    Quote Originally Posted by US Conservative View Post
    Agreed, influence is not the same as exceptional-but that was not my point. Im saying that exceptional nations typically have a large military. Historically if they did not-they were taken over by someone who did have that military.

    Exceptional means something counter to the rule. The communist regimes of the last century were exceptional in their massacres and genocides, for example. That does not mean they are "good".

    Im talking about objective criteria here. We lead the world in most of these parameters. We are exceptional-that does not mean we are better or good-theres a difference.
    Alright, let's talk about your criteria. "Historically, militarily, culturally, socially, scientifically, agriculturally, and industrially."

    Historically... what does that even mean? Our history is better than other country's history? It's the same history. And, as we said before, we can't rest on our laurels. Militarily doesn't matter, but the most exceptional nation isn't the one that wins wars, it's the one that prevents them. Culturally... again very vague. We're the country whose culture involves mass shootings and denial of science. There's plenty we have to be ashamed of. Socially? Our people aren't ranked happiest in the world. We're also not the healthiest. Scientifically used to be true. It might still be. But it's waning. If keep up this science denial and religious bluster, we'll lose it. It's already begun. Agriculturally? How is this even a criterion? And how exactly are you quantifying it? We produce a lot of food, but we also use up a whole lot more resources than equivalent populations in other countries. Same for industry.

    Justify us as superior in any of those criteria. Though you have to first justify why half of them matter as criteria in the first place.
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    Re: Do you believe in American Exceptionalism?

    I'm an American, not an hyphenated-American but an American and I believe in both Manifest Destiny and American Exceptionalism.

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    Re: Do you believe in American Exceptionalism?

    Quote Originally Posted by opendebate View Post
    you're an asshole
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    Re: Do you believe in American Exceptionalism?

    Quote Originally Posted by Rainman05 View Post
    You make a poll asking a question then proceed to make the largest fraction of the replies in this thread thus far US Conservative.(I counted) 19 replies out of 44. Almost half. And all of them in the purpose of ego masturbation.

    I guess if there is something like american exceptionalism, it's the exceptional ability of americans to masturbate their egos if this thread is anything to go by. Cheers.

    Here's a hint dude. Exceptionalism, quality... these sort things, are worth more, carry more nobility and weight, if they aren't bragged about. The moment you brag about it, it becomes less so. It cheapens it. It's like bragging you have a big dick. If you really have a big dick, then there's no surprise when you whip it out because people already know what to expect. If it turns out you don't have a bick dick, you'll be laughed at.
    So much emoting. Heres a thought-I started the thread to discuss the topic with forumites. Now do your best fonzie impression-what is fonzie?

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