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    Re: Do you believe in American Exceptionalism?

    Quote Originally Posted by US Conservative View Post
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    Re: Do you believe in American Exceptionalism?

    Quote Originally Posted by Kobie View Post
    You're a real sweetheart.

    It's "ignorant" to claim that people often conflate "American exceptionalism" with American superiority? Okay, pal.
    Actually its ignorant to pretend the definition of American exceptionalism hasn't already been established as value-neutral and to prefer something not relevant to the discussion.

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    Re: Do you believe in American Exceptionalism?

    Quote Originally Posted by US Conservative View Post
    Actually its ignorant to pretend the definition of American exceptionalism hasn't already been established as value-neutral and to prefer something not relevant to the discussion.
    Neat.

    A key component of "American exceptionalism" is egalitarianism. Only the most delusional among us would believe that America has ever been a truly egalitarian society.
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    Re: Do you believe in American Exceptionalism?

    Quote Originally Posted by Kobie View Post
    I'd be too tall to fit through the doorways.
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    Re: Do you believe in American Exceptionalism?

    Quote Originally Posted by Kobie View Post
    Neat.

    A key component of "American exceptionalism" is egalitarianism. Only the most delusional among us would believe that America has ever been a truly egalitarian society.
    Super cool, but it does not change the fact that you are fighting straw men.


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    Re: Do you believe in American Exceptionalism?

    Quote Originally Posted by CRUE CAB View Post
    Do you live here?
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    Re: Do you believe in American Exceptionalism?

    Quote Originally Posted by CRUE CAB View Post
    If it has to be explained to you, I feel sorry for you. You probably should find greener pastures elsewhere.
    In other words, you don't have an answer. Gotcha.
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    Re: Do you believe in American Exceptionalism?

    Quote Originally Posted by US Conservative View Post
    American exceptionalism is the theory that the United States is qualitatively different from other nation states.[2] In this view, U.S. exceptionalism stems from its emergence from a revolution, becoming what political scientist Seymour Martin Lipset called "the first new nation"[2] and developing a uniquely American ideology, "Americanism", based on liberty, egalitarianism, individualism, republicanism, populism and laissez-faire.[3] This ideology itself is often referred to as "American exceptionalism."[3]
    I have not entered your poll because, as with many others here, I do not readily fall into the arbitrary categories. However, that is not to say that yours is not an interesting and thought provoking question, or that I do not have a point of view on the matter.

    Any -ism is essentially ideological, and the definition published in the Wikipedia is merely the view of the contributor/s concerned. The term American Exceptionalism is used variously, and there is no universal definition governing its use.

    Is the USA as a society, and are Americans as a people, exceptional? I would say so, but only to the extent that every society is atypical in many ways. Do I believe in American Exceptionalism - of course not! The term and concept is redolent of inherent and intrinsic superiority, and is as ridiculous as believing in intrinsic conservative or socialist superiority. We are all different, with varying strengths and weaknesses.

    There is no best country on earth, and none of us is inherently superior, irrespective of our geographic location, or socio-political beliefs. That is a nonsensical and puerile concept.

    It is my view that Americans are accomplished enough, intelligent enough, and generous enough, not to have to bolster their self-confidence with such adolescent self-promotion. You simply have no need of it.
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    Re: Do you believe in American Exceptionalism?

    Quote Originally Posted by Leo View Post
    I have not entered your poll because, as with many others here, I do not readily fall into the arbitrary categories. However, that is not to say that yours is not an interesting and thought provoking question, or that I do not have a point of view on the matter.

    Any -ism is essentially ideological, and the definition published in the Wikipedia is merely the view of the contributor/s concerned. The term American Exceptionalism is used variously, and there is no universal definition governing its use.

    Is the USA as a society, and are Americans as a people, exceptional? I would say so, but only to the extent that every society is atypical in many ways. Do I believe in American Exceptionalism - of course not! The term and concept is redolent of inherent and intrinsic superiority, and is as ridiculous as believing in intrinsic conservative or socialist superiority. We are all different, with varying strengths and weaknesses.

    There is no best country on earth, and none of us is inherently superior, irrespective of our geographic location, or socio-political beliefs. That is a nonsensical and puerile concept.
    Good reply, Leo. I don't think there's anything incomprehensible about the citizens of any country believing their nation to be superior, even though there are many who don't make such claims, Germany comes to mind. In the current epoch of world history, with the continents split up into often arbitrary packages of land and polities, all vying for identity and legitimacy, nationalism flourishes, but the nation state as a unit of governance will eventually dissolve; I think that's inevitable in the long-term, and this idea of any kind of exceptionalism will dissolve with it.

    My problem with American (or any other brand of) exceptionalism, is that it presupposes that not all nations must abide by the same rules and behaviours that are applied to all the rest. We can see this most clearly in modern days in the nuclear club. The idea that those nations that already own the means of delivering nuclear catastrophe take it upon themselves to ensure their own exceptionalism by working to deny other nations access to the club is abhorrent, inequitable and dangerous. I don't want to see Iran or N. Korea getting nuclear weapons, but I also passionately want to see the US, France, Russia, UK, China, India, Pakistan and Israel get rid of theirs too.

    It is my view that Americans are accomplished enough, intelligent enough, and generous enough, not to have to bolster their self-confidence with such adolescent self-promotion. You simply have no need of it.
    Quite. The US, like many other nations, IS exceptional in some regards, but in a more limited definition than that which says that being exceptional brings with it exemption from global standards of behaviour.
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    Re: Do you believe in American Exceptionalism?

    Quote Originally Posted by Cephus View Post
    In other words, you don't have an answer. Gotcha.
    That is an answer. You are too thick to understand it? Not my problem. You just sit and hate America.

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