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Should this memorial be replaced?

Should this memorial be replaced?


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how could the designers of the memorial be so stupid not to think no would notice?

no on replacement but maybe the designers of the memorial should be asked to repay the monies they were paid to design it.
 
How pathetic. No excuse.
 
Should this memorial be replaced?

Yes, it should be replaced.

If the company designing/building it doesn't have a signed "proof" from the town okaying the final product, the town should sue to collect whatever's been paid. If the old geezer who was in charge signed off, too bad for the town.
 
how could the designers of the memorial be so stupid not to think no would notice?

no on replacement but maybe the designers of the memorial should be asked to repay the monies they were paid to design it.

Or they should start over and do it right at their own cost. And call in historians and proofreaders. I'm sure there are many folks with expertise and knowledge who will enthusiastically volunteer.
 
If I knew they had money to burn I would say yes, replace it. However, a Rust Belt small city
of ~21,000 whose population has been declining for the last several decades does not have
money to burn. In fact, money must be damn tight for them to have to outsource the project to India.

They should definitely replace the stone block at the base of the memorial with a new one
listing the names of all those who died, leaving none out this time.

It is really too bad that so few people alert to and aware of historical detail, including even
the veterans committee which signed off on the design.
 
I wasn't referring to the city eating the cost; I meant whoever was commissioned to create the monument (if those who commissioned it did their due diligence).
 
Should this memorial be replaced?

Immediately and the guy who called those families "nit pickers" needs to be investigated for possible kick backs in doing this.
 
I didn't read the text of the article before looking at the monument. What I saw was a tribute for our past to present warriors, from WWII to Desert Storm. Something to remind us Korea was part of our military history with a place among the more remembered wars our men fought and died in.

Perhaps the 'missing' names could be added as stones guarding the main monument?

Mistakes happen, the 10 Commandment monument put on the Oklahoma State Capitol grounds had mis-spellings, I don't recall any screams over the mistakes... the whole monument is another story... ;)
 
As that one TV commercial says-'if your going to do it...do it right'. That is pathetic.
 
Since this is identified as a "Korean War Memorial", then whomever the city contracted to create the thing blew it. On the other hand, I can't believe the city just paid the money without seeing the design and approving it before it was put in place.

The memorial should be replaced and the costs should be shared by the city and the designer.
 
The best war memorial in Washington D.C. is the Korean War. Especially in the snow.

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The workmanship itself is beautiful, but yes, if there are so many mistakes, the memorial should be redone. Since it was accepted and the 'artist' was paid for the work, I'm not sure there is sufficient moral or legal justification to make the artist re-do it at his own expense. If it was not satisfactory, the design should have been rejected in advance of the work, and then if it did not meet the agreed specifications, the completed work should have been rejected before a check was cut.

One thing I noted in the news story was that the project had been outsourced to India????? Are there no artists in Ohio who could have screwed it up?
 
The workmanship itself is beautiful, but yes, if there are so many mistakes, the memorial should be redone. Since it was accepted and the 'artist' was paid for the work, I'm not sure there is sufficient moral or legal justification to make the artist re-do it at his own expense. If it was not satisfactory, the design should have been rejected in advance of the work, and then if it did not meet the agreed specifications, the completed work should have been rejected before a check was cut.

One thing I noted in the news story was that the project had been outsourced to India????? Are there no artists in Ohio who could have screwed it up?

That atrocity of Stan Musial that stands in front of new Busch Stadium and at the last Busch Stadium was outsourced to some Mexican sculptor back in the mid-'60s. The Cardinals offered to have it re-done because of all the complaints after it had been there for about 10 or 15 years and Musial, although he had commented on the statue earlier on, as to it's actual likeness of himself, decided that so many people had pictures of themselves made at the thing (including weddings, etc.) he declined to support a replacement. That's just how Stan was.
 
Should this memorial be replaced?

I tend to agree that it is odd honor that is so ambivalent as to make a mess of mistakes and slights on memorial. Personally I think that the people that are responsible should have to replace the stone at their own costs.
 
What a shame...it looks really cool (otherwise).

How about slicing off the bottom (including the tank)...that seems to be where the visual screw ups are?

Plus, just add the missing names to a new base rock.
 
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Should this memorial be replaced?

"Production was outsourced to India....."


They pay no honor to the dead. I suggest they would have done more good by getting a local stone mason to carve some names in a rock....at least then it would have reflected the ideal of Americans for Americans instead of new age outsourcing for convenience.

Tear it down and put in an eternal flame

Eternal flame - Wikipedia, the free encyclopedia


At least that has class.....
 
The best war memorial in Washington D.C. is the Korean War. Especially in the snow.

I have always been uncomfortable with the Korean War Memorial. It depicts an American Infantry patrol. The Infantry I grew up in said wearing a poncho out on patrol was a big bozo no-no. It is highly reflective- shiny. It is very noisy, even when in open country- like wearing corduroy pants. It is bulky, making movement a bit clumsy. It doesn't allow easy access to ammo or grenades, not a plus in a fire fight and that is what a patrol is constantly on guard for since they are making enough noise to draw unwanted attention.

So it has always puzzled me why the patrol is wearing them. Perhaps because the detail free ponchos are easier, cheaper and faster to do compared to the detail intensive web gear soldiers wear.

Still for a memorial in our Nation's Capital is seems a bit amateurish.
 
The outsourced to India aspect really bothers me. First, considering the era, I think many of those who are being honored would be offended, and it's supposed to be for them. Even today, it just doesn't seem right. It's not the end of the world, but I don't think it's right.

Second, what do Indians know about American history? Then again... and it saddens me to even think this... would Americans have done any better? Some would, of course, but it's by no means a given.

Third, the stone with the names, at the very least, should be replaced. That is a given.

Fourth, a single historical error can be forgiven, but this has so many errors that one has to conclude that they didn't even try. They just slapped some scheit together. If I interpreted the story correctly, the design was approved prior to creation, so the onus falls on the people who commissioned the piece.

Personally, I'd suggest trashing it and replacing with a larger stone simply with all the names... leaving room in case a few more are missed.
 
The outsourced to India aspect really bothers me.


That old adage of you get what you pay for is never truer. This was an item not to buy at Wal Marts.
 
I have always been uncomfortable with the Korean War Memorial. It depicts an American Infantry patrol. The Infantry I grew up in said wearing a poncho out on patrol was a big bozo no-no. It is highly reflective- shiny. It is very noisy, even when in open country- like wearing corduroy pants. It is bulky, making movement a bit clumsy. It doesn't allow easy access to ammo or grenades, not a plus in a fire fight and that is what a patrol is constantly on guard for since they are making enough noise to draw unwanted attention.

So it has always puzzled me why the patrol is wearing them. Perhaps because the detail free ponchos are easier, cheaper and faster to do compared to the detail intensive web gear soldiers wear.

Still for a memorial in our Nation's Capital is seems a bit amateurish.

I don't know how old you are...but WWII and Korea were just 5 years apart. I'm sure things have change immensely in the military since 1941/45 and 1952/53. For one thing those wars were fought in extreme cold in many places in Europe and Korea. Here's a pic from WWII...that "poncho-overcoat" was standard issue back then and nothing had changed in Korea.

Yeah, those would look mighty weird in the Iraqi desert and I'm sure they've given way to new cold weather garb in 2014 since it's 70 years later for Afghanistan.

WWII...Battling bastards of Bastogne marching in the Ardennes Forest. About 1944/45.

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I don't know how old you are...but WWII and Korea were just 5 years apart. I'm sure things have change immensely in the military since 1941/45 and 1952/53. For one thing those wars were fought in extreme cold in many place in Europe and Korea. Here's a pic from WWII...that "poncho-overcoat" was standard issue back then and nothing had changed in Korea.

Yeah, those would look mighty weird in the Iraqi desert and I'm sure they've given way to new cold weather garb in 2014 since it's 70 years later for Afghanistan.

WWII...Battling bastards of Bastogne marching in the Ardennes Forest. About 1944/45.

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There is not a poncho in sight but overcoats and do note the webgear is visible and accessible in the WWII pics. There is no such thing as a poncho-overcoat... :roll:

Due note in the Korean War memorial you don't see the webgear, in the WWII pictures there is is.

Note the jacketed arms of the overcoats in the WWII pics and the concealed arms under the Monument's soldiers.

Do you see a single canteen on the Memorial soldiers? How about an E-tool or an ammo pouch????
 
I didn't read the text of the article before looking at the monument. What I saw was a tribute for our past to present warriors, from WWII to Desert Storm. Something to remind us Korea was part of our military history with a place among the more remembered wars our men fought and died in.

Perhaps the 'missing' names could be added as stones guarding the main monument?

Mistakes happen, the 10 Commandment monument put on the Oklahoma State Capitol grounds had mis-spellings,
I don't recall any screams over the mistakes... the whole monument is another story... ;)




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