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    Re: Should this memorial be replaced?

    Quote Originally Posted by radcen View Post
    The outsourced to India aspect really bothers me.

    That old adage of you get what you pay for is never truer. This was an item not to buy at Wal Marts.

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    Re: Should this memorial be replaced?

    Quote Originally Posted by Crosscheck View Post
    That old adage of you get what you pay for is never truer. This was an item not to buy at Wal Marts.
    I'm with ya. You know they went for price.
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    Re: Should this memorial be replaced?

    Quote Originally Posted by notquiteright View Post
    I have always been uncomfortable with the Korean War Memorial. It depicts an American Infantry patrol. The Infantry I grew up in said wearing a poncho out on patrol was a big bozo no-no. It is highly reflective- shiny. It is very noisy, even when in open country- like wearing corduroy pants. It is bulky, making movement a bit clumsy. It doesn't allow easy access to ammo or grenades, not a plus in a fire fight and that is what a patrol is constantly on guard for since they are making enough noise to draw unwanted attention.

    So it has always puzzled me why the patrol is wearing them. Perhaps because the detail free ponchos are easier, cheaper and faster to do compared to the detail intensive web gear soldiers wear.

    Still for a memorial in our Nation's Capital is seems a bit amateurish.
    I don't know how old you are...but WWII and Korea were just 5 years apart. I'm sure things have change immensely in the military since 1941/45 and 1952/53. For one thing those wars were fought in extreme cold in many places in Europe and Korea. Here's a pic from WWII...that "poncho-overcoat" was standard issue back then and nothing had changed in Korea.

    Yeah, those would look mighty weird in the Iraqi desert and I'm sure they've given way to new cold weather garb in 2014 since it's 70 years later for Afghanistan.

    WWII...Battling bastards of Bastogne marching in the Ardennes Forest. About 1944/45.

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    Re: Should this memorial be replaced?

    Quote Originally Posted by HogWash View Post
    I don't know how old you are...but WWII and Korea were just 5 years apart. I'm sure things have change immensely in the military since 1941/45 and 1952/53. For one thing those wars were fought in extreme cold in many place in Europe and Korea. Here's a pic from WWII...that "poncho-overcoat" was standard issue back then and nothing had changed in Korea.

    Yeah, those would look mighty weird in the Iraqi desert and I'm sure they've given way to new cold weather garb in 2014 since it's 70 years later for Afghanistan.

    WWII...Battling bastards of Bastogne marching in the Ardennes Forest. About 1944/45.

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    Should this memorial be replaced?-ardennes-forest-battle-bulge-12-16-44-copy-jpg
    There is not a poncho in sight but overcoats and do note the webgear is visible and accessible in the WWII pics. There is no such thing as a poncho-overcoat...

    Due note in the Korean War memorial you don't see the webgear, in the WWII pictures there is is.

    Note the jacketed arms of the overcoats in the WWII pics and the concealed arms under the Monument's soldiers.

    Do you see a single canteen on the Memorial soldiers? How about an E-tool or an ammo pouch????

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    Re: Should this memorial be replaced?

    Quote Originally Posted by notquiteright View Post
    I didn't read the text of the article before looking at the monument. What I saw was a tribute for our past to present warriors, from WWII to Desert Storm. Something to remind us Korea was part of our military history with a place among the more remembered wars our men fought and died in.

    Perhaps the 'missing' names could be added as stones guarding the main monument?

    Mistakes happen, the 10 Commandment monument put on the Oklahoma State Capitol grounds had mis-spellings,
    I don't recall any screams over the mistakes... the whole monument is another story...



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    Re: Should this memorial be replaced?

    Hmmmm.... did I say it was a big deal, I simply said **** happens and the 10 Commandments are rather well known and documented so the mistakes are not cultural but human. More so the private citizen/lawmaker who paid for the 10C monument didn't notice the errors until AFTER it was set-up and others pointed it out to him....

    The white knuckle rage some on this website have over the local memorial seems bit much, the guy defending the monument is an 81 year old Korean War vet and some wag is calling him out to be investigated for kick-backs??!!!

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    Re: Should this memorial be replaced?

    My uncle was a master sergeant who fought in WWII and Korea--my mother received his personal effects including military stuff when he came back gravely injured and not expected to live. He did live for another 10 years but was never really well again. He was estranged from his wife but my Mom gave all the stuff to his kids when they were old enough to appreciate them.

    But among that stuff was very much a military issued poncho--a large flat rubbery thing with a hole for a hood in the center of it.





    This is an authentic Korean War poncho demonstrated by a modern era person. The WWII issued ponchos didn't have a hood--those had been added by the Korean conflict.
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