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Thread: Father faces child cruelty charges for teen's punishment [W:59]

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    Father faces child cruelty charges for teen's punishment [W:59]

    Quote Originally Posted by lizzie View Post
    The bolded is really sort of the point. With a teenage male, the test of wills becomes pretty pronounced, and the father figure and the son figuratively battle it out. I suspect that this is nature's way of saying that you're getting prepared for true autonomy, and I don't see it as a bad thing. I am a little conflicted about the method of punishment, not that it was too much, but may have served to do nothing constructive, but it's certainly not worthy of legal trouble on the part of the father.
    It's two different issues. The efficacy of the punishment is dependent in on the personalities involved of course, but from a personal and anecdotal standpoint. A punishment like this only works if the boy doesn't have the urge to stand up for himself. This is often the case for more physical punishments. It cows those who are emotionally weak (not speaking of more extreme things like caining of course). If the kid has any level of ODD or any sense of moxie, this will backfire and make the kid more defiant as he will just think his dad is an asshole. (I have a soft spot for more strong willed children in the wrong environment to properly nurture them )

    As far as the punishment. My concerns are among the lines of letting the child get a healthy amount of sleep, not doing it when it is too hot or cold and other conditions that can cause injury. Personally I think a parent use caution unless they know what conditions are unsafe as well
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    Re: Father faces child cruelty charges for teen's punishment..

    Quote Originally Posted by faithful_servant View Post
    Yes, it does. It's called "making the punishment fit the crime".
    So I guess you would make a child that doesn't use an "indoor voice" go around screaming their head off as punishment.

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    Quote Originally Posted by PirateMk1 View Post
    Was it so excessive that it would be called abusive? Was so excessive that the police and CPS be involved? I don't think it was remotely excessive. You believe otherwise. So this is a judgment call, which doubt should go to the parents.
    Not letting your child sleep is, in fact, abusive.



    However.


    I won't make a judgement on this without knowing some history. Maybe this is a problem child. Got enough energy to get in trouble...the he's got enough energy to do PTs at 3am. Can't make that call from the armchair, though.
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    Reports indicate that everyone knew he was hauling a bunch of guns up there. But, since you brought it up, there's something which should be illegal: guns that breakdown.

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    Re: Father faces child cruelty charges for teen's punishment..

    Quote Originally Posted by CRUE CAB View Post
    Don't sound racist at all, you need the information?
    The presumption of the statement is that blacks, as a whole, neglect their children. It is a racist statement.

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    Re: Father faces child cruelty charges for teen's punishment..

    Quote Originally Posted by Chaddelamancha View Post
    It was excessive in your opinion. The law isn't based on opinions. Within the letter of the law, this is clearly not a crime.
    Actually, large portions of the law are based on "opinions". Many things are relative, including the words "cruel", "excessive", and even "too much". The Georgia code on "child cruelty" says this:

    "(b) Any person commits the offense of cruelty to children in the first degree when such person maliciously causes a child under the age of 18 cruel or excessive physical or mental pain. "

    Georgia Code - Crimes and Offenses - Title 16, Section 16-5-70 - Georgia Attorney Resources - Georgia Laws

    Both cruel and excessive are subjective. It would certainly be excessive to force most children below the age of ten to run 5 or 10 miles as punishment, even just a mile or two. However, some teenaged athletes train by running those amounts. It would be cruel to sentence a person to 5 years in jail for stealing a candy bar (shoplifting) with a completely clean record and nothing else but he/she simply took the candy bar out of the store. It would not be cruel to apply that sentence to someone who robbed a store at gun point and/or attacked someone (assault).
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    Re: Father faces child cruelty charges for teen's punishment..

    Quote Originally Posted by Gipper View Post
    So I guess you would make a child that doesn't use an "indoor voice" go around screaming their head off as punishment.
    Not a half bad idea, actually.


    I got in trouble for drawing in class. This was early 90's, Simpsons and teenage mutant ninja turtles were big, and that's what I was drawing. My 5th grade teacher made me spend several entire days drawing Simpsons and tmnt pictures. Cured me real quick.
    Quote Originally Posted by calamity View Post
    Reports indicate that everyone knew he was hauling a bunch of guns up there. But, since you brought it up, there's something which should be illegal: guns that breakdown.

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    Father faces child cruelty charges for teen's punishment [W:59]

    Quote Originally Posted by KevinKohler View Post
    Not letting your child sleep is, in fact, abusive.



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    I won't make a judgement on this without knowing some history. Maybe this is a problem child. Got enough energy to get in trouble...the he's got enough energy to do PTs at 3am. Can't make that call from the armchair, though.
    Showing a kid who's boss tends to backfire more often than not. Punishments like this are a good way to make a defiant child's behavior worse. Typically it is good parenting to find punishments that induce unpleasant feelings but avoid making a child angry. Boredom and misery for example are great but under appreciated tools.

    I made a teenager sit still for two days over a weekend once (excepting necessities) and the results were amazing.
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    Re: Father faces child cruelty charges for teen's punishment..

    I erred on the charges, thinking they were abuse charges. It doesn't really change my opinion on whether this child cruelty or not. I believe it was within the parents right. Honestly it would be more cruel of the kids parents to allow him to continue to not take care of his responsibilities and not hold him accountable.

    Quote Originally Posted by roguenuke View Post
    Actually, large portions of the law are based on "opinions". Many things are relative, including the words "cruel", "excessive", and even "too much". The Georgia code on "child cruelty" says this:

    "(b) Any person commits the offense of cruelty to children in the first degree when such person maliciously causes a child under the age of 18 cruel or excessive physical or mental pain. "

    Georgia Code - Crimes and Offenses - Title 16, Section 16-5-70 - Georgia Attorney Resources - Georgia Laws

    Both cruel and excessive are subjective. It would certainly be excessive to force most children below the age of ten to run 5 or 10 miles as punishment, even just a mile or two. However, some teenaged athletes train by running those amounts. It would be cruel to sentence a person to 5 years in jail for stealing a candy bar (shoplifting) with a completely clean record and nothing else but he/she simply took the candy bar out of the store. It would not be cruel to apply that sentence to someone who robbed a store at gun point and/or attacked someone (assault).
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    Re: Father faces child cruelty charges for teen's punishment..

    Quote Originally Posted by PirateMk1 View Post
    Was it so excessive that it would be called abusive? Was so excessive that the police and CPS be involved? I don't think it was remotely excessive. You believe otherwise. So this is a judgment call, which doubt should go to the parents.
    I would call it cruelty, which is what he is being charged with. I would say that they should have given him a warning. But for all we know, they could have did that first, and the guy said that he felt there was nothing wrong with the punishment and do it again, and that's why they decided to charge him.
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    Re: Father faces child cruelty charges for teen's punishment..

    Quote Originally Posted by Chaddelamancha View Post
    I erred on the charges, thinking they were abuse charges. It doesn't really change my opinion on whether this child cruelty or not. I believe it was within the parents right. Honestly it would be more cruel of the kids parents to allow him to continue to not take care of his responsibilities and not hold him accountable.
    There are less excessive/cruel punishments that would more likely work and not put him in danger of potential health issues such as heat exhaustion/stroke, muscle strains/sprains, or many other things that are potentials depending on more information about the actual conditions.
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