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Thread: Father faces child cruelty charges for teen's punishment [W:59]

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    Re: Father faces child cruelty charges for teen's punishment..

    It wouldnt be my primary style of discipline but all kids are different. And we dont know the type of relationship 16 yr old and dad have. It could be very good.

    I dont see it as abusive. Hell, I just had a 15 and half yr old out here digging up a water line with his dad. He works with his dad on many contracting projects. (He's homeschooled).

    Great kid, good attitude, hard worker.
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    Re: Father faces child cruelty charges for teen's punishment [W:59]

    Quote Originally Posted by Arbo View Post
    Child cruelty or just some good old fashioned discipline?? If you think the former, what 'punishment' do you approve of?


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    Hell I think my book bag was that heavy..

    So long as the child was allowed to carry it in an ergonomically sound way I don't see the need for the police to be involved as there would be little risk of injury.

    It's an idiotic method of punishment though. If I were a teen something like that would have only made me pissed off and more determined to have my way.

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    Re: Father faces child cruelty charges for teen's punishment..

    Quote Originally Posted by PirateMk1 View Post
    Punishment????? For what??? Unless there is something else, there is nothing these parents did that was excessive.
    It was excessive. Given what he was being punished for (the father stated it) and the actual punishment, that was excessive punishment. That punishment would not be given to most military personnel now for the given offense (unless they were possibly in prison already).
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    Re: Father faces child cruelty charges for teen's punishment..

    The only thing that bothers me is that he was woken up at 3am to do this. This is not acceptable at all. A growing child/teen needs his sleep for many various documented reasons. Unless he went to bed at 8pm, this is not an appropriate time to get a kid out of bed. The rest of the punishment, I have zero problems with. A teen boy, even a small one, is generally healthy enough to hike a few miles a day and carry a few pounds around. I mean seriously, 23 lbs? That's nothing.
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    Re: Father faces child cruelty charges for teen's punishment..

    Quote Originally Posted by shavingcollywob View Post
    It's nice to see a black father involved in his child's life too.
    Yeah, that's not racist.

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    Re: Father faces child cruelty charges for teen's punishment..

    Quote Originally Posted by roguenuke View Post
    It was excessive. Given what he was being punished for (the father stated it) and the actual punishment, that was excessive punishment. That punishment would not be given to most military personnel now for the given offense (unless they were possibly in prison already).
    Was it so excessive that it would be called abusive? Was so excessive that the police and CPS be involved? I don't think it was remotely excessive. You believe otherwise. So this is a judgment call, which doubt should go to the parents.
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    Re: Father faces child cruelty charges for teen's punishment..

    Quote Originally Posted by roguenuke View Post
    It was excessive. Given what he was being punished for (the father stated it) and the actual punishment, that was excessive punishment. That punishment would not be given to most military personnel now for the given offense (unless they were possibly in prison already).
    It was excessive in your opinion. The law isn't based on opinions. Within the letter of the law, this is clearly not a crime.
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    Re: Father faces child cruelty charges for teen's punishment [W:59]

    Quote Originally Posted by tacomancer View Post
    Hell I think my book bag was that heavy..

    So long as the child was allowed to carry it in an ergonomically sound way I don't see the need for the police to be involved as there would be little risk of injury.

    It's an idiotic method of punishment though. If I were a teen something like that would have only made me pissed off and more determined to have my way.
    The bolded is really sort of the point. With a teenage male, the test of wills becomes pretty pronounced, and the father figure and the son figuratively battle it out. I suspect that this is nature's way of saying that you're getting prepared for true autonomy, and I don't see it as a bad thing. I am a little conflicted about the method of punishment, not that it was too much, but may have served to do nothing constructive, but it's certainly not worthy of legal trouble on the part of the father.
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    Re: Father faces child cruelty charges for teen's punishment..

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    Yeah, that's not racist.
    Don't sound racist at all, you need the information?

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    Re: Father faces child cruelty charges for teen's punishment..

    Quote Originally Posted by faithful_servant View Post
    Could you please answer one simple question for us:
    What harm was done to the kid?

    Child abuse is when a child is caused to come to harm, so could you please point out what harm was done.
    He isn't being charged with "child abuse". He is being charged with child cruelty.

    Georgia Code - Crimes and Offenses - Title 16, Section 16-5-70 - Georgia Attorney Resources - Georgia Laws

    Was the kid given adequate food and/or water for the punishment? He was carrying a weight consistently that was likely (if he was of a healthy weight given his size) over 1/4 of his body weight. And he was made to carry it more than once each day (from what I gathered in that news report), sometimes starting rather early in the morning. (Was he given safety gear by his father, such as at least reflectors if he was walking in the dark?)

    Some are saying that we don't have both sides here, but we actually have some information from both sides here. It could easily be worse given more information about the punishment than the information we have.

    He was caught on a traffic stop camera and a pizza guy saw him and called about it (makes you wonder how often he was carrying that stone given the information we have about this). Plus, how did the father react when the police came by? I'd say most cops would likely give a warning for such a situation, dependent upon the attitude of the parents involved.

    And we need to stop punishments that may appear excessive when we see them or children end up dead before anyone even realizes they were being punished excessively.

    9-year-old forced to run for 3 hours as punishment, dies

    If the given information was correct, and this 16 year old really was only 4'3" tall, then the 16 year old would be about the same height at least (quite possibly around the same average weight) as an 8 or 9 year old.
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