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    Re: Father faces child cruelty charges for teen's punishment..

    Quote Originally Posted by Arbo View Post
    Child cruelty or just some good old fashioned discipline?? If you think the former, what 'punishment' do you approve of?


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    Re: Father faces child cruelty charges for teen's punishment..

    Quote Originally Posted by TheNextEra View Post
    There are many punishments that can be done that don't involve physical punishments like this. Grounding, extra chores, etc.

    Luckily the police diagree with YOU.
    Could you please answer one simple question for us:
    What harm was done to the kid?

    Child abuse is when a child is caused to come to harm, so could you please point out what harm was done.
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    Re: Father faces child cruelty charges for teen's punishment..

    Quote Originally Posted by Gipper View Post
    Punishing someone who doesn't do their chores with...extra chores. Makes complete sense.
    Yes, it does. It's called "making the punishment fit the crime".
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    Re: Father faces child cruelty charges for teen's punishment..

    This 'punishment' is less than what he might face in a juvenile 'Boot Camp' and there is no indication the kid was psychically harmed. Given the kids current path, its not unreasonable to assume that is where he was headed (and frankly, until he is 18 the parents could put him in a camp themselves).

    "The notion of developing boot camps for juvenile offenders evolved as the juvenile system faced the same pressures as the adult system -- an increasingly expensive and overburdened prison system, high rates of recidivism, public concern for safety, and a increasing emphasis on punishment over rehabilitation. Juveniles in custody for delinquent offenses increased 35% from 1978 to 1989, a period when the youth population of the United States declined by 11%.

    In this context, the Office of Juvenile Justice and Delinquency Prevention (OJJDP) in the US Justice Department began a demonstration program to examine the feasibility, appropriateness, and promise of the boot camp model for juvenile offenders. It selected three sites to explore whether boot camp programs for adult offenders could be adapted for male juvenile offenders: Cleveland, Ohio; Mobile, Alabama; and Denver, Colorado.

    OJJDP found significant improvement in test scores for reading, spelling, math, and language for the boot camp participants. The study also found improvement in physical fitness, attitudes, and values. The attitudes and values included: respect for authority, self- discipline and control, responsibility, integrity, teamwork, personal appearance and bearing, and social behavior and work ethic. But, since there was no control group the study could not conclude boot camp was better than other institutional confinement in these areas."

    So...kudos to the guy for caring enough to try to alter his kids mindset. I dont know...maybe excessive. Abusive? Probably not.

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    Re: Father faces child cruelty charges for teen's punishment..

    Quote Originally Posted by roguenuke View Post
    I would like some more information, but I also understand the police here. This is too much, especially given what he was said to be punished for (from what information we are being given).

    First, assuming that this was going on for large portions of the day, then how often did the teen get a break? It wasn't but a year or two ago that the little girl died because her stepmother/grandmother had her running laps around the house for a few hours at a time. Plus, this was not a large kid. A 16 year old boy who is only 4'3" tall, unless overweight, is not going to weigh that much (that is over a foot shorter than I was at that age). (The ideal weight for someone at guy at 4 1/2 feet tall is only about 80lbs.)

    Second, as others have pointed out, there are much more appropriate punishments. First of all, take away whatever device(s) he is using to "watch videos" on. Not that hard. Even cell phones can have their internet disabled. Second, if he wasn't doing his chores at all, then how in the heck did the father get him to do this pointless task? That doesn't make any sense. Maybe it was more along the lines of the kid wasn't doing the chores when exactly the father wanted them done. Which, is certainly cause for punishment, but not like this.

    Seems like some info is missing here, but it certainly sounds like the punishment went too far. I would say some family counseling is definitely called for as punishment. I don't think jail time would be right though.
    Punishment????? For what??? Unless there is something else, there is nothing these parents did that was excessive.
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    Re: Father faces child cruelty charges for teen's punishment..

    Quote Originally Posted by americanwoman View Post
    I personally think it's a little excessive for what the kid did but there isn't much information except the kid was watching too many videos and not doing homework or chores. No word on whether any of the devices playing the videos were taken away or if the father had first done other disciplinary actions so it's hard to say whether this was the result of the kid breaking the rules repeatedly or not.
    Well said!!! This one of those stories where only one side is being presented. Before ANYONE judges this father's actions, we need to see the whole picture. If this was just a matter of the kid missing a homework assignment, forgetting to take out the trash one week and exceeding his quota of TV watching by 30 minutes, I'd call it excessive (but not criminal). If this was a case of the kid having six weeks of homework piled up, hadn't done one single chore in six weeks and had planted his lazy butt in front of the TV 8 hours a day, then good on the father. My guess is that the reality is somewhere in-between.
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    Re: Father faces child cruelty charges for teen's punishment..

    Quote Originally Posted by clownboy View Post
    I haven't yet seen any indication the child was physically harmed by this. In fact, it sounds like what we used to do daily for fun on our own as kids (we used to build the most amazing forts).
    It would be like making a couple of kids dig a hole 20' wide and 3' deep in a muddy creek and then making them pack in sticks and rocks for 100s of yards to pile on to make the hole deeper. That was what my brother and I did AFTER we did our chores and homework. We had the best "swimming hole" (couldn't really swim in it, but it was better than nothing) around and we had a blast building it.
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    Re: Father faces child cruelty charges for teen's punishment..

    Quote Originally Posted by faithful_servant View Post
    It would be like making a couple of kids dig a hole 20' wide and 3' deep in a muddy creek and then making them pack in sticks and rocks for 100s of yards to pile on to make the hole deeper. That was what my brother and I did AFTER we did our chores and homework. We had the best "swimming hole" (couldn't really swim in it, but it was better than nothing) around and we had a blast building it.
    Yea, but you had to get off the couch to do it.

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    Re: Father faces child cruelty charges for teen's punishment..

    Quote Originally Posted by TheNextEra View Post
    I noticed you left out this part:



    Sorry, but yes, that is child abuse.
    Funny how people like to leave out the most pertinent parts of the story...
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    Re: Father faces child cruelty charges for teen's punishment..

    OMG! Not 'as early as 8 am in the morning!'

    Oh the horror!
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