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    Re: Father faces child cruelty charges for teen's punishment..

    Quote Originally Posted by CanadaJohn View Post
    Personally, I don't believe the punishment is productive, but that's just me. Secondly, I see it's now called "child cruelty" - what happened to child abuse? Basically, from where I come from, it impossible to raise a respectful, responsible, decent child without being "cruel" to them in many ways. But that's not abuse. I agree with Gipper, judges who make those convicted of crimes stand on corners with signs announcing their crimes and subjecting them to ridicule from complete strangers are far more "cruel" than this man. And considering the state of "fatherless" children in black communities in America, I'd be on the street corner giving this caring father a medal for trying to teach his son responsibility.

    I have a feeling this charge will be dropped by the district attorney involved - there is no chance of a conviction and it just makes them look foolish to pursue it.


    That depends. If it goes to Family Court with CPS pulling the strings, he is in deep **** and could lose custody of the kid...

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    Re: Father faces child cruelty charges for teen's punishment..

    Quote Originally Posted by roguenuke View Post
    But it is up to law enforcement and really others to at least halt and question punishments that have the potential for harming children, putting them in danger, like this one.
    It's up to them to investigate.
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    I have felt pain when I was in the womb. So when you say they are incapable of feeling pain, that is based on junk science.
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    A murderer putting a bullet through someone's brain is a medical procedure too.

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    Re: Father faces child cruelty charges for teen's punishment..

    Quote Originally Posted by roguenuke View Post
    The evidence doesn't fall on your side. Abuse or cruelty against children does not require that the child actually have suffered physical consequences from it, only that there is a good possibility that they could had. The little girl who was forced to run for 3 hours straight around her house was probably fine too up til that last little bit of time. Would her "punishment" have been okay so long as her stepmother/grandmother had given her water every hour instead of not having done so?
    All the evidence falls on my side....the kid is fine.

    So you are speculating that it was cruel and abusive.

    I am speculating that it's not. And the evidence bears my speculation out.

    The investigation hopefully will examine the child and the circumstances.

    Kids suffer physical consequences from being paddles on the butt too. That's the intent...consequences.
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    I have felt pain when I was in the womb. So when you say they are incapable of feeling pain, that is based on junk science.
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    Re: Father faces child cruelty charges for teen's punishment..

    Quote Originally Posted by roguenuke View Post
    Actually, a lot of states/municipalities have bike helmet laws, particularly for those under 18/16. Not exactly sure on the punishment for your child not wearing a helmet, but the laws still exist in many states/areas.

    Bicycle Helmet Laws

    You listed one of the dangers of this (although, that one is a pretty obscure danger in itself, especially to someone who actually is 16). But there are plenty of basic dangers no matter where he is walking, including heat exhaustion, getting hit by a car (it was a road, and that is always a potential danger, and carrying a rock with him would cause his reaction time to be lower), and any number of muscle injuries from carrying a 23lb object, in his hands, 3 miles.

    And no, I never carried all my books, by hand, around school, particularly not for over an hour at a time. In fact, ...

    "The American Academy of Pediatrics recommends that a child’s backpack weigh no more than 10 to 20 percent of a child’s weight."

    http://well.blogs.nytimes.com/2009/0...ype=blogs&_r=0

    And this is just a carry weight for a backpack, not carrying by hand. Also, shorter children should carry less weight. So that 23lb weight is about 16% of the kid's weight. Within range, but still over the 10% and again, not being carried on his back and he is shorter (significantly) than most "kids" at that weight. If he was close to his recommended weight, he would have been carrying closer to 27% of his body weight.
    And they are starting to discover that helmets are not very effective. THey are more 'feel good' than actually protective. They have found that the brain bounces around inside the skull just as much with helmets. They may offer some protection but not nearly what people had thought previously.

    It's been a hot-button topic in the horse industry lately. Football too.
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    I have felt pain when I was in the womb. So when you say they are incapable of feeling pain, that is based on junk science.
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    Re: Father faces child cruelty charges for teen's punishment..

    Quote Originally Posted by Juanita View Post
    That depends. If it goes to Family Court with CPS pulling the strings, he is in deep **** and could lose custody of the kid...
    Maybe so - but maybe the negative publicity will cause them to only monitor but not interfere and then quietly let it drop.
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    Re: Father faces child cruelty charges for teen's punishment..

    At first I thought this father will get out of these bogus charges. But my wife read me a story that made me realize that America is over the edge on stupid. I parent picked up their kid from school who got in trouble and was sent home for the day. The kid wouldn't tell the parent what was going on, so the parent stopped the car and said the kid could walk home.

    The parent was arrested for a similar thing. It went to court and the judge actually said that it WAS endangerment because kids walking down a street is dangerous in current times because there are pedophiles out there.

    For real.

    We are going to have an 'entitled' generation far worse than we could ever imagine.
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    Re: Father faces child cruelty charges for teen's punishment..

    Quote Originally Posted by Lursa View Post
    It's up to them to investigate.
    And law enforcement investigated and decided that the punishment fit the charge of child cruelty.
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    Re: Father faces child cruelty charges for teen's punishment..

    Quote Originally Posted by roguenuke View Post
    And law enforcement investigated and decided that the punishment fit the charge of child cruelty.
    Ah, LE decided… authority over the citizens, the same sort of authority that backed slavery and putting japanese americans in camps and so many other 'good' decisions, right? LOL…
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    Re: Father faces child cruelty charges for teen's punishment..

    Quote Originally Posted by Arbo View Post
    Ah, LE decided… authority over the citizens, the same sort of authority that backed slavery and putting japanese americans in camps and so many other 'good' decisions, right? LOL…
    It's called doing their job. Keeping children safe is part of that, and at times it means keeping them safe from their own parents. Sometimes just pointing out that what a parent is doing is illegal/harmful is enough. Other times it requires charges but keeping kids with their parents. And yet other times, kids need to be removed to keep them safe. This is a time where either of the first would be appropriate, but we don't know what happened when the police did bring this kid home to his father.
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    Re: Father faces child cruelty charges for teen's punishment..

    Quote Originally Posted by roguenuke View Post
    It's called doing their job. Keeping children safe is part of that,
    Because studies have shown, removing kids from parents that actually discipline them and putting the state in charge of them, helps turn them into good little dependents of the state, and we want more sheep that rely on government.

    I'm sorry, but anyone that thinks making a kid move rocks or dig and fill ditches or (heaven forbid) walk is horrible and cruel, is part of the problem in this society. We aren't talking about beating the crap out of kids, just putting a level of discipline in them that (it certainly seems) has been missing for decades, and has helped lead to new generations of 'entitlement' and 'unaccountable' douchbags.

    The world is a cruel and unfair place and it doesn't give a crap about any one individual, and when people don't understand that, they fail. And yes, we have loads of young people coming up who are going to fail miserably because of the years of this silly 'everyone deserves a trophy' and 'you sit in time out' nonsense.
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