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Thread: Father faces child cruelty charges for teen's punishment [W:59]

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    Re: Father faces child cruelty charges for teen's punishment..

    Quote Originally Posted by TheNextEra View Post
    I noticed you left out this part:



    Sorry, but yes, that is child abuse.
    Nope not abuse just hard work. Hard work never hurt anyone in and of itself and no evidence suggests the boy was injured.

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    Re: Father faces child cruelty charges for teen's punishment [W:59]

    Quote Originally Posted by Arbo View Post
    Child cruelty or just some good old fashioned discipline?? If you think the former, what 'punishment' do you approve of?


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    It was a bit excessive maybe, but I'm not seeing how it qualifies as "abuse."

    23 lbs is nothing weight wise, and three miles is a walk in the park (assuming you're not being forced to run it).

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    Re: Father faces child cruelty charges for teen's punishment..

    Quote Originally Posted by roguenuke View Post
    No, he wasn't. Normal 16 year olds, boys especially, are not 4 foot 2 inches tall (my shortest sister is 5'1", and she is small, the average height of a teenager is definitely over 5 feet tall). Plus, he was overweight by about 60 pounds. That adds another dangerous aspect to it. He was given a time limit of 2 hours or forced to start over (which he had to do obviously since the guy seen him again later). Plus, he was carrying extra weight, and he was doing other physical work outdoors before and/or after these trips. This was not a "Sunday stroll". It was easily dangerous for him, especially since, from the reports we have, he did not have adequate water (enough to last til he got home or almost home).
    He was perfectly healthy for his size then. Still plenty able to carry 23 lbs for an hr. And so would a woman/girl be.

    No one said it was a SUnday stroll. And an hour without water (3 miles per hr at a walk) in normal temps....he's fine.

    This is just ridiculous.
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    Re: Father faces child cruelty charges for teen's punishment..

    Quote Originally Posted by roguenuke View Post
    This kid wasn't even regular day to day shape. And if you were hiking 16 miles (sounds like uphill at least some?) then you were not in "average" shape. You would have been above average.

    Most places do not allow their employees to lift over 40 or 50 lbs solo due to 50 lbs being the OSHA recommendation for safe lifting ability of men (women they actually set at half that). Even the shipyard will not allow people to solo lift over 50 lbs. I could easily lift/carry 40 lb water containers for short distances (from where they were in the subs, off them to the truck/cart, then from the cart to the building) but that doesn't mean that anyone should be forced to carry even 23 lbs for over an hour walk, in the heat (~85 degrees), without at least enough water, if any. But especially not a teenager who was not in the best of shape to begin with. And this doesn't even cover the fact that at least some of those times he was alone, and had something happened, it could have been a while before his father or mother even realized that something had happened to him.
    Dont tell me what 'I was.' And I was not in above average shape.

    And now you are talking about things you have no knowlege of. HOme Depot didnt even require me to wear one of those back brace things. And yes, the big landscaping blocks weight 60 lbs each. YOu can find this out easily on your own.

    It wasnt over 85 degrees, some of it was even night time.


    This kid could have been out on a day hike with his folks, exactly the same circumstances/weight carried, and no one would blink an eye. 16 year olds have jobs, they drive cars, they do anything they possibly can without their parents...he did not need supervision and he was not in any danger.

    The drama and speculation is just silly.
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    Re: Father faces child cruelty charges for teen's punishment..

    Quote Originally Posted by roguenuke View Post
    For someone who is in decent shape and average height. This kid was likely neither. Plus he was carrying a load, which will slow down the average walk time. So, that is more than an hour.
    And btw, these women are often nowhere near decent shape and often in heels. No water (lattes probably) and in all weather.

    And 23 lbs in not 'a load.' For a normal 16 yr old boy....I dont care how short he was, he wasnt an invalid. It wouldnt slow anyone down much.
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    Re: Father faces child cruelty charges for teen's punishment..

    Quote Originally Posted by roguenuke View Post
    A couple of hours of physical activity without water is life threatening, especially if it was considered "hot" outside (it was in the 80s, which is enough). He didn't just do one of those laps either and simply go back into a cool house. He was then made to move bricks back and forth. And he did that 3 mile lap at least twice in at least one day.
    Where did it say he got no water that entire time? Or breaks?
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    I have felt pain when I was in the womb. So when you say they are incapable of feeling pain, that is based on junk science.
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    Re: Father faces child cruelty charges for teen's punishment..

    Poor kid. People are discussing him like being short is a defect.
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    I have felt pain when I was in the womb. So when you say they are incapable of feeling pain, that is based on junk science.
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    Re: Father faces child cruelty charges for teen's punishment..

    Quote Originally Posted by Lursa View Post
    I worked in the nursery at Home Depot...I carried and loaded more of those stones lthan you can count. And some of them are 60 lbs. And I was about 50 at the time. In between contracts. 23 lbs? If he was going hiking for the day his daypack could easily weigh that. When we hiked the 16 miles to Half Dome & back my pack and water weighed more than that. Again...over 40 yrs old, with no time to get into better shape (just regular day to day shape, not that I'm out of shape but that was a heck of a day hike)
    Of course you dodged the situation and substituted your own... the task/conditions and standards are not lift and put, it isn't carry in a day pack. Please list the items you think weighted 23 pounds on this hike of yours. I carried a 35 pound pack that was mostly ammo, food, and water and not for just a day...

    Now try doing as the boy had to, carry the stone with both arms, no pack or sling...

    I also mentioned bringing a 4'2" child along to do the same thing... (adults are a bit different in developed bone and muscle mass) you seemed to have missed that part, try asking some friends if you can borrow their 4'2" child and have them hug carry a stone. See if they agree it is a literal walk in the park....

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    Re: Father faces child cruelty charges for teen's punishment..

    Quote Originally Posted by notquiteright View Post
    Of course you dodged the situation and substituted your own... the task/conditions and standards are not lift and put, it isn't carry in a day pack. Please list the items you think weighted 23 pounds on this hike of yours. I carried a 35 pound pack that was mostly ammo, food, and water and not for just a day...

    Now try doing as the boy had to, carry the stone with both arms, no pack or sling...

    I also mentioned bringing a 4'2" child along to do the same thing... (adults are a bit different in developed bone and muscle mass) you seemed to have missed that part, try asking some friends if you can borrow their 4'2" child and have them hug carry a stone. See if they agree it is a literal walk in the park....
    Water. water, oh, and more water. butane stove. fuel. trail mix/power bars, food, camp pot/utensils, bird book 1 inch thick, dont remember what else. 16 yr old boys are already being recruited for college sports....and hard at it in HS in football, basketball, wrestling...no one is coddling these kids.

    Being short is not a defect. ANd it was not meant to be a walk in the park. It was meant to be difficult. It was supposed to be punishment.
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    I have felt pain when I was in the womb. So when you say they are incapable of feeling pain, that is based on junk science.
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    Re: Father faces child cruelty charges for teen's punishment..

    Quote Originally Posted by Lursa View Post
    Water. water, oh, and more water. butane stove. fuel. trail mix/power bars, food, camp pot/utensils, bird book 1 inch thick, dont remember what else. 16 yr old boys are already being recruited for college sports....and hard at it in HS in football, basketball, wrestling...no one is coddling these kids. Being short is not a defect. ANd it was not meant to be a walk in the park. It was meant to be difficult. It was supposed to be punishment.
    More dodge, imagine that... how much water? How much food, cast iron pot or one of those thin pressed aluminum ones? Again the boy in the article didn't get a ruck but had to hug carry the rock. Did you hug carry your load while camping?

    Again you dodge the borrow a kid and have them hug carry that stone. Imagine that.

    16 year old boys come in all shapes and sizes, but what 16 year old is already playing college sports? I missed what football team has a 16 year old on the roster.

    And I really missed the part where those 16 year olds were 4'2".

    Did find a 6'3" 220 pound kid going to the minors with a season ending pulled hamstring in 2011. But he was 18 when he broke into the Bigs.

    30 lashes is punishment as well, the question is proper punishment for a MINOR 4'2" child....

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