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    Re: Father faces child cruelty charges for teen's punishment..

    Quote Originally Posted by Lutherf View Post
    I didn't lug too many rocks around but I did carry an M60 for a few years. As far as being a grunt....no, I wouldn't call myself a grunt but I've still got a bit of Central American mud on my boots, know enough not to look over the sandbag in front of you when you hear a "THWAP" and understand that those two guys you're tracking might just have 20 or 30 buddies hanging around when you find them.
    So the answer is you never carried rocks in basic or in the AF 'almost like a grunt school'. You did read where the boy was 4'2", how tall were you when you humped a pig?

    Now the fun part, what were you doing in CA tracking a couple of bad guys? (I long ago ditched my old gear) And of course how come you get to hide behind a sandbag while tracking bad guys??? I NEVER had a handy sandbag when return fire came on patrol... you had all the luck...

    FYI next time you want to try the 'grunt-like' thing when dismissing minors being punished, lead with the muddy boots/ thwap thing rather than sorta like grunt training/ perimeter guard in Europe thing, Folks might think you are violating the Geneva Convention and using enhanced justification techniques ...

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    Re: Father faces child cruelty charges for teen's punishment..

    Quote Originally Posted by roguenuke View Post
    The average male walks at a normal (no weight being carried) speed of 3.5 mph. This is someone who is going to be about average height (around 5'10" for guys) and in decent physical condition. Plus, that does not include the extra activities that went on at home.
    There ya go...an hr. THere's a 3 mile loop in the middle of Seattle around a lake. Women in groups lolling about discussing their relationships (city inside joke) do it on lunch hr.
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    Re: Father faces child cruelty charges for teen's punishment..

    Quote Originally Posted by roguenuke View Post
    Okay, so blame the kid for being tired and still having to go out again, after that time.

    The punishment was excessive. He could have faced serious medical issues had he been out there longer, especially without an adequate (if any) amount of water.
    Kids do the same voluntarily playing sports all the time.

    An hr without water in normal temps, doing some work, is not death-defying.
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    Re: Father faces child cruelty charges for teen's punishment..

    Carrying a stone for several miles is absurd. I'm sorry, I usually have no issue with old school parenting and "slapping." But, that's just wrong.

    Who the hell does that?
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    Re: Father faces child cruelty charges for teen's punishment..

    Quote Originally Posted by notquiteright View Post
    So the answer is you never carried rocks in basic or in the AF 'almost like a grunt school'. You did read where the boy was 4'2", how tall were you when you humped a pig?

    Now the fun part, what were you doing in CA tracking a couple of bad guys? (I long ago ditched my old gear) And of course how come you get to hide behind a sandbag while tracking bad guys??? I NEVER had a handy sandbag when return fire came on patrol... you had all the luck...

    FYI next time you want to try the 'grunt-like' thing when dismissing minors being punished, lead with the muddy boots/ thwap thing rather than sorta like grunt training/ perimeter guard in Europe thing, Folks might think you are violating the Geneva Convention and using enhanced justification techniques ...
    I was 5'11" and 136# pounds when I left for basic. 7 months later when I came home before my permanent party deployment I'd put on 30 pounds. 4 years after that I'd put on another 15 and not an ounce of it was fat.

    I'm not sure what your beef is with all this. The discussion was about whether or not military type training was a reasonable form of discipline for a kid and, in my experience, it certainly is. Lugging the rock around is hardly different than having to run laps around your squad on a march. The idea is that once the kid does this a few times he'll figure out that being a jackass doesn't pay and sticking to the established standards does. It's cramming the idea that if you think it's bad now you'd better damned well learn that it could be a heck of a lot worse home.

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    Re: Father faces child cruelty charges for teen's punishment..

    Quote Originally Posted by Lursa View Post
    There ya go...an hr. THere's a 3 mile loop in the middle of Seattle around a lake. Women in groups lolling about discussing their relationships (city inside joke) do it on lunch hr.
    For someone who is in decent shape and average height. This kid was likely neither. Plus he was carrying a load, which will slow down the average walk time. So, that is more than an hour.
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    Re: Father faces child cruelty charges for teen's punishment..

    Quote Originally Posted by Lursa View Post
    Kids do the same voluntarily playing sports all the time.

    An hr without water in normal temps, doing some work, is not death-defying.
    A couple of hours of physical activity without water is life threatening, especially if it was considered "hot" outside (it was in the 80s, which is enough). He didn't just do one of those laps either and simply go back into a cool house. He was then made to move bricks back and forth. And he did that 3 mile lap at least twice in at least one day.
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    Re: Father faces child cruelty charges for teen's punishment..

    Quote Originally Posted by Lutherf View Post
    I was 5'11" and 136# pounds when I left for basic. 7 months later when I came home before my permanent party deployment I'd put on 30 pounds. 4 years after that I'd put on another 15 and not an ounce of it was fat.

    I'm not sure what your beef is with all this. The discussion was about whether or not military type training was a reasonable form of discipline for a kid and, in my experience, it certainly is. Lugging the rock around is hardly different than having to run laps around your squad on a march. The idea is that once the kid does this a few times he'll figure out that being a jackass doesn't pay and sticking to the established standards does. It's cramming the idea that if you think it's bad now you'd better damned well learn that it could be a heck of a lot worse home.
    Just trying to make sense of your claims is all... FYI we had 'punishment' of running around our unit while on the move in training- usually while double timing. However it would have been a breeze to only have to do it around the 8 man squad (we never had a full squad), no we ran around the platoon at a minimum. And no that isn't the same as a 4'2" kid carrying the equiv of a M60 'pig' without a carrying strap.

    You bring up the perimeter guard/'sorta grunt training'/hunting bad guys in CA as some sort of proof you know what rock humping is like... I just wanted a bit more info on the claims YOU made, the sandbag has me amazed- did you carry that as well as the pig?

    Now carrying rocks isn't military TRAINING, it is military PUNISHMENT. Like I said earlier a man in my squad was sent to CCF (Correctional Custody Facility to you non military types- a step above an AR15 and a BIG step below Ft. Riley) so several times I'd go visit the young man and watch some of his 'motivation exercises'. I NEVER did any of those exercises in basic, Advanced Infantry School, active duty or in the National Guard.

    It now appears you never did either... good to know.... Scouts Out brah....

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    Re: Father faces child cruelty charges for teen's punishment..

    Quote Originally Posted by Lursa View Post
    There ya go...an hr. THere's a 3 mile loop in the middle of Seattle around a lake. Women in groups lolling about discussing their relationships (city inside joke) do it on lunch hr.
    If I may suggest, you take a landscaping stone and carry it around that course to get a better understanding of the issue. If you have a child why not have them carry one as well, if you don't have one of your own see if you can borrow a 4'2" child and have them carry a rock beside you (see if the child's parents are as cavalier about it as you are trying to pretend.)

    HUGE difference from playing sports, I played outside damn near from sunup to sundown as a child, worked outdoors damn near as long when a teenager- joining the Infantry kicked my ass for awhile and I was quite a bit taller than 4'2" and 18, not 16.

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    Re: Father faces child cruelty charges for teen's punishment..

    Quote Originally Posted by roguenuke View Post
    A couple of hours of physical activity without water is life threatening, especially if it was considered "hot" outside (it was in the 80s, which is enough). He didn't just do one of those laps either and simply go back into a cool house. He was then made to move bricks back and forth. And he did that 3 mile lap at least twice in at least one day.
    He was a normal healthy 16 yr old boy carrying 23 lbs. Please, it sounds like he was even setting his own pace.
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    I have felt pain when I was in the womb. So when you say they are incapable of feeling pain, that is based on junk science.
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