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Thread: Father faces child cruelty charges for teen's punishment [W:59]

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    Re: Father faces child cruelty charges for teen's punishment [W:59]

    Quote Originally Posted by PirateMk1 View Post
    It doesn't backfire IF you are consistent. The reason most punishments fail is lack of consistency. Your right it is a test of wills. A parent needs to start early and often to pass that test.
    I disagree. If you are consistent, it just backfires that much harder. Different kids need different styles of parenting. If the child is a defiant type, understanding and comfort tends to work best (velvet glove in iron fist approach)

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    Re: Father faces child cruelty charges for teen's punishment [W:59]

    Quote Originally Posted by PirateMk1 View Post
    Your not very good at baiting. Another lame attempt. Well keep at it Forest, maybe you will get it right eventually.
    First, accusing people of B/F/T is, in and of itself, flaming.

    Second, my assessment of your position is legit. If you disagree with my position, feel free to counter it with something other than BS.

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    Re: Father faces child cruelty charges for teen's punishment..

    4'2" and 140-145 pounds. Doesn't sound like a small kid to me. Short, yes, but not small.

    If anything this is an overweight, lazy, spoiled kid. And his father resorted to the one treatment that he knew, military. How is this any different than if he was to send his kid to a military boarding school?

    Quote Originally Posted by roguenuke View Post
    You'd be surprised. I am going off the information we have, and from it, I see it as excessive. I might change my mind if we find out the kid was either larger than reported (they are reporting him to be only 4' 2" tall, that is small for a 16 year old, very), or actually a star athlete of some kind. For an average kid though, especially one that size, this is excessive punishment.

    And I don't agree with any pointless tasks. In themselves, they are cruel to me because they don't actually serve a real purpose and they aren't likely to fix the major problems that require punishment. They don't really teach anything and they are much more likely to make a child rebel. If you give a teen/child an actual meaningful task as punishment, the punishment is more likely to sink in.
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    Re: Father faces child cruelty charges for teen's punishment..

    Quote Originally Posted by PirateMk1 View Post
    I hope the man doesn't make a deal and stands his ground.
    He has already been ordered to attend some sort of counseling. I highly doubt he won't face some sort of punishment for this incident.
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    Re: Father faces child cruelty charges for teen's punishment..

    Quote Originally Posted by Chaddelamancha View Post
    4'2" and 140-145 pounds. Doesn't sound like a small kid to me. Short, yes, but not small.

    If anything this is an overweight, lazy, spoiled kid. And his father resorted to the one treatment that he knew, military. How is this any different than if he was to send his kid to a military boarding school?
    Definitely overweight. But that to me says that there is an issue as well.

    At military boarding school, the kid would be guaranteed to be doing punishments in "safe" conditions, not the middle of the night (2 am he was caught on camera) or the middle of a warm day with no water (we get canteens and are in fact forced to drink in the military if it is a punishment exercising).
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    Re: Father faces child cruelty charges for teen's punishment..

    Quote Originally Posted by notquiteright View Post
    So you was a rock humper in the AF???? I can believe a lot of things about Zoomies but not humping rocks in rucks as any part of their training, but do tell....
    I think things have changed a bit over the years but back then there were a few of us who went through quite a bit of infantry training. That particular course was a prerequisite for those of us who were going to be shipped to eastern Europe to work with Ground Launch Cruise Missile teams. Our basic function was to establish and maintain perimeters for remote temporary bases but we also did a lot of other stuff including handling security for a "bug out" command post for NORAD.

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    Re: Father faces child cruelty charges for teen's punishment..

    His father was on camera making the walk with him at 2 am. The updated article stated his father would check in on him and at time walk with him. Sounds like he knew what he was doing.

    Quote Originally Posted by roguenuke View Post
    Definitely overweight. But that to me says that there is an issue as well.

    At military boarding school, the kid would be guaranteed to be doing punishments in "safe" conditions, not the middle of the night (2 am he was caught on camera) or the middle of a warm day with no water (we get canteens and are in fact forced to drink in the military if it is a punishment exercising).
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    Re: Father faces child cruelty charges for teen's punishment..

    Quote Originally Posted by roguenuke View Post
    I do know that this boy (according to the news report) was much smaller than the example you gave. 4 foot 2 inches tall is the size of an 8 or 9 year old. If the kid weighed over 100 pounds at that height, he would be considered fat/obese.

    Everyone does have different personalities, but that doesn't change how excessive this punishment is given the information we have. The father didn't say the kid was being punished for being mouthy or abusive or getting into trouble at school/in the neighborhood or other things that could lead a person to believe the kid was troublemaker. No, the reason given was for watching too many videos (there is no reason this could not have been dealt with by taking away all access to electronics in the house), not doing homework (generally involves parents actually getting involved, I still don't understand how a parent could get a child to do that much manual labor but not stand there over the kid's shoulder while he did his homework, which likely wasn't even attempted), and not doing chores (so give more chores or heighten the expectations). Even if the things I gave were tried (one of them, unless the kid is really good at hacking, can be easily done), this punishment would still be excessive, in my opinion. And it is pointless.

    And it could cause physical issues. Do you think it isn't warm/hot in Georgia in May? I'm seeing about 75-87 F for this past weekend (which is when it sounds like this happened). If the exercise is something the kid is not accustomed to, the level could easily cause issue with muscle strains/sprains, especially given the amount of weight the teen was carrying for the average amount of time (it would take about an hour, maybe a little more to walk three miles carrying weight).

    Obviously we need more information here, but what we have is enough for me to say right now that I find it excessive and even cruel. (I find it cruel for any child/teen to be punished with pointless activities. It seems to be done more for some morbid satisfaction of the punisher or just plain laziness rather than actually being used to help the kid, teach the kid.

    Football, basketball can cause physical issues. Parents look for those things. It was a 23 lb block for 3 miles. It's easy to walk that distance in an hr or less.

    YOu find it excessive and cruel. If you knew what lots of farm and ranch kids did on a daily basis....as chores and as fun....you might have a different perspective.

    And that's right, we absolutely dont know the whole picture and until I know more I wouldnt say excessive, cruel. or unwarranted. I believe the father's punishment (if carried out) would be excessive without alot more justification.
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    Re: Father faces child cruelty charges for teen's punishment..

    Quote Originally Posted by Lutherf View Post
    I think things have changed a bit over the years but back then there were a few of us who went through quite a bit of infantry training. That particular course was a prerequisite for those of us who were going to be shipped to eastern Europe to work with Ground Launch Cruise Missile teams. Our basic function was to establish and maintain perimeters for remote temporary bases but we also did a lot of other stuff including handling security for a "bug out" command post for NORAD.
    Well the question was- did you hump rucks filled with rocks. I WAS a grunt, not just 'went through quite a bit of infantry training' and NEVER EVER humped rocks. Never carried a rock in my arms, like the kid was doing, anyplace.

    For most REMFs 'infantry training' was playing bang bang with blanks while running around throwing the occasional fake grenade. Throw in some bunker duty and they thought themselves VERY salty...

    One of my last assignments in the RA was as OPFOR during ATEPs for rear echelon units- real pud knocker duty but fun to watch Pogues try and play grunt...

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    Re: Father faces child cruelty charges for teen's punishment [W:59]

    Quote Originally Posted by Arbo View Post
    Child cruelty or just some good old fashioned discipline?? If you think the former, what 'punishment' do you approve of?


    Father faces child cruelty charges for teen's punishment


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    it is abuse, plain and simple.

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