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Thread: Father faces child cruelty charges for teen's punishment [W:59]

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    Re: Father faces child cruelty charges for teen's punishment [W:59]

    When I read the title of the thread,I thought, in today's weak, pc world of parenting, that the father might have (gasp, shock, horror) said a harsh word to his son. In some circles that could constitute abuse!

    The kid may not thank his father today, but if the father is strong, stands his ground and continues to be a strong, involved parent, the kid will thank him when he grows up. If anyone thinks that some physical exercise is child abuse then they have no concept of what the word means.

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    Re: Father faces child cruelty charges for teen's punishment..

    Quote Originally Posted by roguenuke View Post
    There are less excessive/cruel punishments that would more likely work and not put him in danger of potential health issues such as heat exhaustion/stroke, muscle strains/sprains, or many other things that are potentials depending on more information about the actual conditions.
    There is a lot of information left out of the article, so I cant be sure the kid was in any danger or not. His father being a military man, I would assume he knows health and conditioning. But all we can do is assume with the information given.
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    Re: Father faces child cruelty charges for teen's punishment..

    Quote Originally Posted by Chaddelamancha View Post
    There is a lot of information left out of the article, so I cant be sure the kid was in any danger or not. His father being a military man, I would assume he knows health and conditioning. But all we can do is assume with the information given.
    You'd be surprised. I am going off the information we have, and from it, I see it as excessive. I might change my mind if we find out the kid was either larger than reported (they are reporting him to be only 4' 2" tall, that is small for a 16 year old, very), or actually a star athlete of some kind. For an average kid though, especially one that size, this is excessive punishment.

    And I don't agree with any pointless tasks. In themselves, they are cruel to me because they don't actually serve a real purpose and they aren't likely to fix the major problems that require punishment. They don't really teach anything and they are much more likely to make a child rebel. If you give a teen/child an actual meaningful task as punishment, the punishment is more likely to sink in.
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    Re: Father faces child cruelty charges for teen's punishment..

    based on the article I voted fine and acceptable but the poll isnt good option wise.

    It might not be fine and acceptable but it most certainly isnt child abuse in anyway based on the article I actually find that appalling and would be furious over such a mentally retarded trumped up ridiculous charge. Id fight it with every resource i could and hopefully i could find a way to charge the officers for something.

    it doesnt say the child was injured in anyway or beaten excessively or left unnourished etc

    one punishment was what I did working for landscapers when i was a teen in the summer and the other is walking a couple miles with a fully loaded bookbag because 23lbs is NOTHING. My daughters softball bag is more than that

    I dont see any evidence of abuse in the article and thats all i have to go on.

    over the top? maybe
    child abuse? no
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    Re: Father faces child cruelty charges for teen's punishment [W:59]

    Quote Originally Posted by tacomancer View Post
    Showing a kid who's boss tends to backfire more often than not. Punishments like this are a good way to make a defiant child's behavior worse. Typically it is good parenting to find punishments that induce unpleasant feelings but avoid making a child angry. Boredom and misery for example are great but under appreciated tools.

    I made a teenager sit still for two days over a weekend once (excepting necessities) and the results were amazing.
    It doesn't backfire IF you are consistent. The reason most punishments fail is lack of consistency. Your right it is a test of wills. A parent needs to start early and often to pass that test.
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    Re: Father faces child cruelty charges for teen's punishment..

    I don't waste time dealing with people that are only charged with something.

    Usually, only when they are convicted does it truly interest me (potentially).

    I for one strongly believe in innocence until proven guilty.

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    Re: Father faces child cruelty charges for teen's punishment [W:59]

    Quote Originally Posted by PirateMk1 View Post
    It doesn't backfire IF you are consistent. The reason most punishments fail is lack of consistency. Your right it is a test of wills. A parent needs to start early and often to pass that test.

    If you abuse your kids, keep on abusing them! Consistency is the key!

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    Re: Father faces child cruelty charges for teen's punishment..

    Quote Originally Posted by roguenuke View Post
    I would call it cruelty, which is what he is being charged with. I would say that they should have given him a warning. But for all we know, they could have did that first, and the guy said that he felt there was nothing wrong with the punishment and do it again, and that's why they decided to charge him.
    You have at best a hung jury here. Most likely an acquittal. Because just looking at the comments here I doubt highly a jury would convict. Because it seems most don't agree with this being cruel punishment.
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    Re: Father faces child cruelty charges for teen's punishment..

    Based on available information, it doesn't sound that bad. I certainly don't think it rises to the level of child abuse.


    I used to get worked harder than that on an average day of summer break around the farm... in the 105 degree heat, too...

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    Re: Father faces child cruelty charges for teen's punishment [W:59]

    Quote Originally Posted by ecofarm View Post
    If you abuse your kids, keep on abusing them! Consistency is the key!
    Lame. Really lame. If your going to bait, flame or troll you could at least be creative about it.
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