View Poll Results: Should we force kids to finish 12th grade?

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    Re: Dropping out of school

    Quote Originally Posted by Gipper View Post
    I support the right for them to choose whether to continue or not. I also suppor the right for them to fend for their own and allowing businesses to have nothing to do with hiring them because of inferior education. I also support the right for them to forfeit all public assistance and become a financial cripple for the family, or to die and be a cheap funeral.
    NOT exactly a "lover of people" are you, G..................

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    Re: Dropping out of school

    Quote Originally Posted by Lursa View Post
    And you allow them to picket outside Walmart and Burger King for $15/hr too, right?

    I wrote the same thing about public assistance before 18 too, btw. And using that as incentive for their family to 'encourage' their remaining in school.

    Really, I just dont see why they dont have programs similar to Scared Straight where they had the kids visit the prisons and see the conditions and talk to prisoners.

    Have them go back behind the counter at McD, follow a Walmart manager for a day, help out in a convenience store, etc. and see what the rest of their lives could be like.
    I'd be good with that, although it seems obvious that a life of minimum wage would suck without experiencing it firsthand. But hey - if they need nudging toward that epiphany, I'd allow for it.

    All I ask is that they do their jobs and shut their mouths. They had ample opportunity to better themselves, but they chose to go make money while I was eating day old mac and cheese before my statistics class. If you choose not to make sacrifices, then I choose you to barrel-scrape for the rest of your natural lives.

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    Re: Dropping out of school

    Quote Originally Posted by earthworm View Post
    NOT exactly a "lover of people" are you, G..................
    Nope. I prefer you to reap what you sow, and serve as a reminder that stupidity carries consequence.

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    Re: Dropping out of school

    Quote Originally Posted by nota bene View Post
    I really like the idea tying earning a license to completing 10th or 11th grade.
    The last 3 states we lived in, that was a requirement. Good attendance was a must, and if you quit school before you were 18, your license was revoked until you turned 18.
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    Re: Dropping out of school

    Quote Originally Posted by Ray410 View Post
    One wonders what your nation is.

    Americans have always valued public education as the key to the future for its children. Not in the terrible decline of today's multicultural pop culture of course.

    Many Americans are desperately seeking alternative education to get their children out of the circus of the failed public schools. Naturally, the emerging socialist government is attempting to stop this outflow.
    no. they did not
    until the GI bill became available to veterans after WWII, a college education was the privy of the elite and those very academically gifted, who often attended only because of offered scholarships
    it was not until the advent of the GI bill that college enrollments boomed
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    Re: Dropping out of school

    I voted "Other".

    Allow me, as requested, to explain...

    No, I don't believe we should force them to complete high school.

    But I believe that any future social safety net benefits should be tied to a high school diploma.

    Don't want to finish school?

    Fine, drop out, but no welfare/food stamps/Medicaid/Section 8 for you.

    I recognize that not all kids love school. I sure as heck didn't and barely wound up graduating with a GPA about .2 points above failing. But whether or not you like school, or feel you are getting anything out of it, it's still the absolute minimum bar to ever getting anything even beginning to approach a job that will provide you with a decent standard of living.

    If you're not willing to put in the minimum effort that 95% of American employers expect out of you then don't come crying to me to support you when you can't get a job.

    Now, if a guy goes the high school dropout route and actually does go to work and earn a decent living, and ends up paying into the system for a couple years, falls on hard times, and needs some help to get back on his feet, I'm okay with that.
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    Re: Dropping out of school

    Quote Originally Posted by Kal'Stang View Post
    Should the ability to drop out of high school be allowed? Or should we start forcing students to attend school until they pass 12th grade? (note: this only applies to 17 and younger as adults should be making their own choices)

    Personally I think that we should force them to continue through 12th grade. It is pretty much a requirement in this day and age that people have at least a 12th grade education just to get a job slightly above minimum wage.

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    Re: Dropping out of school

    Quote Originally Posted by Kal'Stang View Post
    I don't believe in punishing someone their whole lives for a mistake. Sometimes it takes years for the impact of not having a high school diploma for someone to realize "Hey, I made a mistake". I also don't believe in letting kids just drop out. Whether its a vocational job training, tier system like some European countries have, we need to do something to get those kids educated enough to where they are not a burden on society like most drop outs are. We can't just keep acting like there isn't a problem or just saying "meh, they drop out, they deserve whatever they get". We also need to start realizing the people are fallible and make mistakes instead of trying to treat everyone like they're suppoesed to be perfect from the get go, and if they're not then they are nothing but scum.
    And that's fine, there are plenty of options for getting an education that we can provide, including vocational training. We just can't allow people to wander the streets with no marketable job skills and their hands out. The expectation needs to be that everyone will be a productive member of society whether they like it or not. Right now, that is not the expectation and it's harming the country. If you need access to social programs, fine, but not if you've acted to harm your own ability to make it on your own. Why should I fund your welfare if you've shot yourself in the foot?
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    Re: Dropping out of school

    Pointing to outliers doesn't change the reality. What percentage of the whole of high school dropouts do those 5 represent?
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    Re: Dropping out of school

    I often joke about what I have in common with Bill Gates.

    He and I are both from Seattle and neither one of us graduated from Harvard. He dropped out and I was never invited.

    Seriously though. He and Paul Allen both attend Lakeside. An exclusive private k12 school in Seattle with tuition now at 28k a year. I'd venture to say his education there and two years at Harvard are easily equal to most college educations.

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