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Thread: Dropping out of school

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    Re: Dropping out of school

    Quote Originally Posted by Gardener View Post
    I would rather see a system where kids all attended school until 8th grade, and then assigned to further schooling that was based upon either academics or trade.
    Agreed. But they must demonstrate that they can read, write, and perform basic math tasks.

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    Re: Dropping out of school

    Quote Originally Posted by Lursa View Post
    With all due respect, IMO it is not the school's place to teach that. It's a 'nice to have' but today kids dont even seem to be able to properly learn the basics of science, math, English, history, etc. Critical thinking would be nice. If there is room for electives, sure but otherwise, kids can be taught those things at home, in church youth groups, YMCA, Boys & Girls Clubs, etc.

    Hi Polgara!
    Good morning to you Lursa!

    The problem we're seeing is that the mom's that should be teaching these skills at home never learned them either! Those fortunate enough to have grandmothers are probably being taught - at least I hope so! There is nothing demeaning about knowing how to cook and sew - even college graduates have to eat. How many kids today even know how to fry chicken or make a roast beef? They're totally clueless, and I find that scary.

    With so many experts warning us about grid failure that has the potential to last for months or years, what are they going to do when the fast food places, or any other food providers, are unable to function to provide food for them? There is a reason why Homeland Security is stockpiling millions of MRE's to be distributed to people to prevent starvation. That is not how I want to live - those things just don't taste good, although they will keep you alive.

    Ironically, today is my day to volunteer-teach moms how to preserve food for future eating, by pressure canning and/or dehydrating what is available today. They are so eager to learn that some cry, and the classes are getting so large that I am astonished that there are so many new ones week after week. What is happening? Have people forgotten how to take care of themselves, or were they never taught in the first place? *end of rant*

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    Re: Dropping out of school

    Quote Originally Posted by TheLastIndependent View Post
    It's true. I know my college degrees are mostly worthless minus two career paths which are professor and law. This country desperately needs an education revolution.
    Why did you choose to earn two "worthless" degrees?

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    Re: Dropping out of school

    Quote Originally Posted by polgara View Post

    The problem we're seeing is that the mom's that should be teaching these skills at home never learned them either! Those fortunate enough to have grandmothers are probably being taught - at least I hope so! There is nothing demeaning about knowing how to cook and sew - even college graduates have to eat. How many kids today even know how to fry chicken or make a roast beef? They're totally clueless, and I find that scary.
    My son's girlfriend (it's a serious relationship), sews. It blew me away to learn that when I first met her. Young women who know how to sew these days are few and far between.
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    Re: Dropping out of school

    I support the right for them to choose whether to continue or not. I also suppor the right for them to fend for their own and allowing businesses to have nothing to do with hiring them because of inferior education. I also support the right for them to forfeit all public assistance and become a financial cripple for the family, or to die and be a cheap funeral.

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    Re: Dropping out of school

    Sad that you're talking about our nation's children in this way, Gipper.

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    Re: Dropping out of school

    Quote Originally Posted by PoS View Post
    I believe so, having a high school degree wasnt a requirement to get a driver's license, you just needed to be 16.
    I really like the idea tying earning a license to completing 10th or 11th grade.

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    Re: Dropping out of school

    [QUOTE=lizzie;1063330410]My son's girlfriend (it's a serious relationship), sews. It blew me away to learn that when I first met her. Young women who know how to sew these days are few and far between. [QUOTE]

    : Too few, lizzie - too few! It scares the H*** out of me, and your son is a lucky man to have found one. I also worry about all those that don't know how to make anything more than toast, too. What they should be learning, IMO, is how to make the bread that feeds them that toast, because that might keep them alive one day, but that's another problem that's not being handled. I have taught my children all I can, and that's the best I can do, and that's why I agreed to help teach others who want to learn a little bit about self sufficiency. I just hope we have time, because in an emergency, government will take care of themselves first!

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    Re: Dropping out of school

    Quote Originally Posted by Gipper View Post
    I support the right for them to choose whether to continue or not. I also suppor the right for them to fend for their own and allowing businesses to have nothing to do with hiring them because of inferior education. I also support the right for them to forfeit all public assistance and become a financial cripple for the family, or to die and be a cheap funeral.
    And you allow them to picket outside Walmart and Burger King for $15/hr too, right?

    I wrote the same thing about public assistance before 18 too, btw. And using that as incentive for their family to 'encourage' their remaining in school.

    Really, I just dont see why they dont have programs similar to Scared Straight where they had the kids visit the prisons and see the conditions and talk to prisoners.

    Have them go back behind the counter at McD, follow a Walmart manager for a day, help out in a convenience store, etc. and see what the rest of their lives could be like.
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    Re: Dropping out of school

    We are in need of upgrading and improving our schools...we can copy Germany...for one....we should be leading, BUT, we are not one of the advanced nations...Germany and Japan for that...
    NO, the concept of forcing others, a national problem...it MUST NOT be.
    A great many of us are simply NOT smart enough for the senior year, however, they/we should be trained for manual work...

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