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    Re: Dropping out of school

    Quote Originally Posted by Cephus View Post
    It depends on what you mean by "force". I think we ought to provide negative consequences for not graduating from high school, they ought to suffer if they decide not to get an education because an education is the best way to make them financially self-sufficient that we have. If you want to drop out, fine, but I don't think you should be able to get any social services if you do and parents of children that drop out should not get any welfare money for them. As far as I'm concerned, school is their job. Quitting their job ought to mean they stop getting a "paycheck". Don't like that? Don't drop out.
    I don't believe in punishing someone their whole lives for a mistake. Sometimes it takes years for the impact of not having a high school diploma for someone to realize "Hey, I made a mistake". I also don't believe in letting kids just drop out. Whether its a vocational job training, tier system like some European countries have, we need to do something to get those kids educated enough to where they are not a burden on society like most drop outs are. We can't just keep acting like there isn't a problem or just saying "meh, they drop out, they deserve whatever they get". We also need to start realizing the people are fallible and make mistakes instead of trying to treat everyone like they're suppoesed to be perfect from the get go, and if they're not then they are nothing but scum.
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    Re: Dropping out of school

    Quote Originally Posted by Superfly View Post
    I mentioned this in another thread, but when I went to high school, we had two paths we were required to follow. We were either on the academic path, and had plans to go on to college, or we were on the technical path, and had plans to learn a skill for a job after high school. Our schedules had to reflect either one, or the other. There was no way around it.

    I don't know if they still do it that way, but if not, it should be. Don't just throw kids to the wolves without them having some general idea of how to support themselves, or at least where they are going with their lives.
    I've never heard of this, but what a good idea! But whatever track they're on, students must demonstrate that they know their "three R's."

    In my community we do have choices. It's not just at-risk students; it's also the "accelerated" students whose academic maturity needs support too. And so we have a high school whose focus is health professions and another for future criminal justice system employees and another dedicated to computer technology. Students spend half a day at the central high school and the other half at their specialized schools studying and serving internships. And etc.

    At the other end, there is an ACE program that helps at-risk students to complete minimal requirements quickly. Usually, these students are at risk of dropping out because they hate school, but there are also students who need to finish as quickly as possible because of a family emergency or, rarely, an opportunity that can't be missed.

    Our newest high school, and its students attend it only, is very interesting. Students must apply and be accepted after demonstrating their sincere commitment to academic performance, and they must also generally be financially disadvantaged. One young lady I know who's bound for med school completed high school, including several college courses, at 16, is now attending a major university on an entirely free ride.

    There is no "One size fits all," so the more diverse and creative solutions, the better!

    (So long as students can read, write, and do basic business math.)

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    Re: Dropping out of school

    Force them why? To learn what?

    I have run my own business since '95 and I learned almost NOTHING scholastically during my entire time in public school that has helped me as an entrepreneur.

    Almost a complete waste of time.

    In fact, by grade 7 (I skipped Grade 6), I had learned almost all I was to learn (scholastically) of practical value in public school.

    Public high school is, imo, a STAGGERINGLY overrated institution.

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    Re: Dropping out of school

    If a minor child wants to leave school, he should be able to show the court he is able to support himself and be emancipated. His parents should no longer be required by law to be "responsile" for his actions.


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    Re: Dropping out of school

    There's no point in re-inventing the wheel.

    The key is in recognizing that the solutions that might solve this problem were simply the accepted norm in the single culture America of thirty years ago. That country is gone now and trying to return to that education system is like rearranging the deck chairs on the Titanic.

    The present model of America and its educational system is more akin to any other failing country throughout history that sunk into a socialist, self serving, corrupt government that dominates competing tribal cultures, without a common language, that can barely contain their disdain for each other. The schools simply fail along with families, jobs, the economy, industries and the quality of life. Crime prevails.

    America could also be compared to a former colony in which the more advanced dominant colonial power was driven out and 3rd world status returned to the people and eventually some form of corrupt socialism/communism emerged.

    That is the model to follow when addressing the failed schools in America. For 75% of our new citizenry, any education beyond the sixth grade is unnecessary. A huge acknowledgement of this overall societal failure was when American schools, quietly and without fanfare, stopped teaching students how to write. Who needs to write in the 3rd world?
    Last edited by Ray410; 05-28-14 at 10:34 AM.

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    Re: Dropping out of school

    Quote Originally Posted by Ray410 View Post
    There's no point in re-inventing the wheel.

    The key is in recognizing that the solutions that might solve this problem were simply the accepted norm in the single culture America of thirty years ago. That country is gone and trying to return to that education system is like rearranging the deck chairs on the Titanic.

    The present model of America and its educational system is more akin to any other failing country throughout history that sunk into a socialist, self serving, corrupt government that dominates competing tribal cultures that can barely contain their disdain for each other. The schools simply fail along with families, jobs, the economy, industries and the quality of life. Crime prevails.

    America could also be compared to a former colony in which the more advanced dominant colonial power was driven out and 3rd world status returned to the people and eventually some form of corrupt socialism/communism emerged.
    Public education is a relatively new concept in our nations history...

    You still have the right to remove your child from the system and provide them with an alternative education.


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    Re: Dropping out of school

    Quote Originally Posted by 1750Texan View Post
    Public education is a relatively new concept in our nations history...

    You still have the right to remove your child from the system and provide them with an alternative education.
    One wonders what your nation is.

    Americans have always valued public education as the key to the future for its children. Not in the terrible decline of today's multicultural pop culture of course.

    Many Americans are desperately seeking alternative education to get their children out of the circus of the failed public schools. Naturally, the emerging socialist government is attempting to stop this outflow.
    Last edited by Ray410; 05-28-14 at 10:41 AM.

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    Re: Dropping out of school

    I would rather see a system where kids all attended school until 8th grade, and then assigned to further schooling that was based upon either academics or trade.
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    Re: Dropping out of school

    Quote Originally Posted by chromium View Post
    What do you call public K-12? The govt supporting them...Why waste public funds of 2 extra years of education for someone with no desire to learn, who will just be a distraction at best?
    Kids have been a distraction in school since the beginning of school.

    The scenario you describe can easily come about even with a diploma. How that piece of paper magically prevents having multiple wives and kids and needing public assistance is beyond me.
    It's a lot easier to get a job with a diploma, than without. That's how that "magical piece of paper" works, you know.
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    Re: Dropping out of school

    Quote Originally Posted by nota bene View Post
    I've never heard of this, but what a good idea! But whatever track they're on, students must demonstrate that they know their "three R's."

    In my community we do have choices. It's not just at-risk students; it's also the "accelerated" students whose academic maturity needs support too. And so we have a high school whose focus is health professions and another for future criminal justice system employees and another dedicated to computer technology. Students spend half a day at the central high school and the other half at their specialized schools studying and serving internships. And etc.

    At the other end, there is an ACE program that helps at-risk students to complete minimal requirements quickly. Usually, these students are at risk of dropping out because they hate school, but there are also students who need to finish as quickly as possible because of a family emergency or, rarely, an opportunity that can't be missed.

    Our newest high school, and its students attend it only, is very interesting. Students must apply and be accepted after demonstrating their sincere commitment to academic performance, and they must also generally be financially disadvantaged. One young lady I know who's bound for med school completed high school, including several college courses, at 16, is now attending a major university on an entirely free ride.

    There is no "One size fits all," so the more diverse and creative solutions, the better!

    (So long as students can read, write, and do basic business math.)
    Exactly - students can't be placed inside this little box anymore. Teachers and administrators are realizing this, and it's much more beneficial for the students.
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