View Poll Results: Should we force kids to finish 12th grade?

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Thread: Dropping out of school

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    Re: Dropping out of school

    Quote Originally Posted by Superfly View Post
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    I believe so, having a high school degree wasnt a requirement to get a driver's license, you just needed to be 16.

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    Re: Dropping out of school

    Quote Originally Posted by Kal'Stang View Post
    Should the ability to drop out of high school be allowed? Or should we start forcing students to attend school until they pass 12th grade? (note: this only applies to 17 and younger as adults should be making their own choices)

    Personally I think that we should force them to continue through 12th grade. It is pretty much a requirement in this day and age that people have at least a 12th grade education just to get a job slightly above minimum wage.
    Yes, we should force them to finish. Unless they're 18 they're not adults and don't have the legal or mental capacity to make such life altering decisions. What I'd prefer to see instead is 2 or 3 different levels of high school like lots of Europe has, each level is for sorting the kids into 3 main categories. 1) Kids who will go onto college 2) Kids who will go on to other higher level training, and 3) kids who will go on only to vocational training.

    There's no reason those kids we all know aren't going to college shouldn't be graduating 12th grade with a certified job qualification for their new chosen profession.
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    Re: Dropping out of school

    going through the motions of going to school everyday and barely passing grade because of the mercy of the teacher is not "education". It's a waste of time.

    That being said, I do think that the school system should account for low initiative students and offer them alternative schooling classes. In fact, this should be the norm... people learn differently. This is a major problem today and we need to create a new educational paradigm that allows children to explore what they're good at and what their desires as.
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    So that's why I voted "other". I don't think forcing kids to finish 12 grades or not is any useful if they don't participate in class and actually educate themselves. It's a failure of both the parents and the outdated system.

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    Re: Dropping out of school

    It depends on what you mean by "force". I think we ought to provide negative consequences for not graduating from high school, they ought to suffer if they decide not to get an education because an education is the best way to make them financially self-sufficient that we have. If you want to drop out, fine, but I don't think you should be able to get any social services if you do and parents of children that drop out should not get any welfare money for them. As far as I'm concerned, school is their job. Quitting their job ought to mean they stop getting a "paycheck". Don't like that? Don't drop out.
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    Re: Dropping out of school

    Quote Originally Posted by TheLastIndependent View Post
    Well, until our education system is made to have some actual worth beyond a piece of paper, then I wouldn't make any school attendance compulsory. High school is absolutely worthless for doing anything. You shouldn't HAVE to go to college to get a decent paying job. Some well paying jobs, such as HVAC among others, could very easily be trained for in highschool so that at 18 our kids have a marketable skill. Instead we walk out of highschool and oh goody, we can take a test. But, thats it.
    Yeah really, considering how worthless many college degrees are, yet some in this thread want to make *high school* mandatory? Truly makes no sense to me. Better odds of emerging from those extra 2 years of HS traumatized than to use a diploma for a job that will pay rent, other than trailer parks.

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    Re: Dropping out of school

    Quote Originally Posted by Superfly View Post
    No, but if the government doesn't stop them, then the government (and you and me) will be supporting them, because that dead end job won't support them, or their 5 kids and 2 ex wives.
    What do you call public K-12? The govt supporting them...Why waste public funds of 2 extra years of education for someone with no desire to learn, who will just be a distraction at best?

    The scenario you describe can easily come about even with a diploma. How that piece of paper magically prevents having multiple wives and kids and needing public assistance is beyond me.

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    Re: Dropping out of school

    Quote Originally Posted by justabubba View Post
    for many - too many - students, this attitude arrives with them in kindergarten
    but we still try to teach and reach them
    let's not give up on them even if they give up on themselves
    Kindergarten taught me the ABCs. That is at least something useful, which unfortunately i can't say for 11-12th grade.

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    Re: Dropping out of school

    Currently in New South Wales, a student must stay at school until they are 17 or prove they have a job. It is a pointless exercise to make students stay at school if they don't want to be there. I have classes with students who just disrupt the learning of their peers because they are too lazy to do any work, have no interest in doing in work, haven't done any work for years and have been shoved through the system.

    I also am in favour of a three level high school as they do in Europe; one for those students who will go to uni, one for those students who will go into a trade or who are not bright enough for uni (not that intelligence is a pre requisite these days) and one for those who have no interest in learning and should be trained in such life style skills such as filling out forms, managing on a low income etc.

    When we get back to teaching instead of baby sitting as we are most of the time now, things will change for the better.

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    Re: Dropping out of school

    Quote Originally Posted by chromium View Post
    Yeah really, considering how worthless many college degrees are, yet some in this thread want to make *high school* mandatory? Truly makes no sense to me. Better odds of emerging from those extra 2 years of HS traumatized than to use a diploma for a job that will pay rent, other than trailer parks.
    It's true. I know my college degrees are mostly worthless minus two career paths which are professor and law. This country desperately needs an education revolution.
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    Re: Dropping out of school

    Quote Originally Posted by chromium View Post
    I can see it now, half of detroit public schools will be age 30+ as they struggle with mandatory graduation
    while i disagree with your hyperbolic example, it beats being subjected to indentured servitude at some unskilled job and not taking one's education as far as one can. i just see very little benefit in allowing anyone to drop out of high school. sure, offer a vocational tract instead, but at least require graduation.

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