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    Re: Dropping out of school

    I have a question for those that say either we don't let them drop out till 18 or until they are signed up for a trade school or something.
    If the kid has decided he doesn't want to be there and is done learning what possible good is it doing just makinging him sit in class. You can't make him pay attention you can't make him do homework and you can't even really stop him from acting out.
    Now you have a kid that is wasting the teacher and everybody else's time while not learning anything. If someone really wants to screw up there life you can't stop them. Chances are later in life while they are working a dead end job making minimum wage they will regret that decision but that is life.
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    Re: Dropping out of school

    Quote Originally Posted by braindrain View Post
    I have a question for those that say either we don't let them drop out till 18 or until they are signed up for a trade school or something.
    If the kid has decided he doesn't want to be there and is done learning what possible good is it doing just makinging him sit in class. You can't make him pay attention you can't make him do homework and you can't even really stop him from acting out.
    Now you have a kid that is wasting the teacher and everybody else's time while not learning anything. If someone really wants to screw up there life you can't stop them. Chances are later in life while they are working a dead end job making minimum wage they will regret that decision but that is life.
    It is not the governments job to protect people from themselves.
    No, but if the government doesn't stop them, then the government (and you and me) will be supporting them, because that dead end job won't support them, or their 5 kids and 2 ex wives.
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    Re: Dropping out of school

    Quote Originally Posted by braindrain View Post
    I have a question for those that say either we don't let them drop out till 18 or until they are signed up for a trade school or something.
    If the kid has decided he doesn't want to be there and is done learning what possible good is it doing just makinging him sit in class. You can't make him pay attention you can't make him do homework and you can't even really stop him from acting out.
    Now you have a kid that is wasting the teacher and everybody else's time while not learning anything. If someone really wants to screw up there life you can't stop them. Chances are later in life while they are working a dead end job making minimum wage they will regret that decision but that is life.
    It is not the governments job to protect people from themselves.
    for many - too many - students, this attitude arrives with them in kindergarten
    but we still try to teach and reach them
    let's not give up on them even if they give up on themselves

    one wrinkle i would add is to adjust benefits available to homes where government assistance is provided
    if the children perform well in school, the home receives some bonus ... internet access, for instance
    but if the student has behavioral and/or performance issues, then withhold said perk. provide incentives and disincentives to the parent(s) depending upon their childrens' behavior and school achievements
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    Re: Dropping out of school

    Quote Originally Posted by justabubba View Post
    for many - too many - students, this attitude arrives with them in kindergarten
    but we still try to teach and reach them
    let's not give up on them even if they give up on themselves

    one wrinkle i would add is to adjust benefits available to homes where government assistance is provided
    if the children perform well in school, the home receives some bonus ... internet access, for instance
    but if the student has behavioral and/or performance issues, then withhold said perk. provide incentives and disincentives to the parent(s) depending upon their childrens' behavior and school achievements
    Good idea, Bubba. Also, here, if the student doesn't have a good attendance record, he or she cannot get a driver's license, and they can lose the license if their attendance drops after they get the license.
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    Re: Dropping out of school

    Quote Originally Posted by braindrain View Post
    I have a question for those that say either we don't let them drop out till 18 or until they are signed up for a trade school or something.
    If the kid has decided he doesn't want to be there and is done learning what possible good is it doing just makinging him sit in class. You can't make him pay attention you can't make him do homework and you can't even really stop him from acting out.
    Now you have a kid that is wasting the teacher and everybody else's time while not learning anything. If someone really wants to screw up there life you can't stop them. Chances are later in life while they are working a dead end job making minimum wage they will regret that decision but that is life.
    It is not the governments job to protect people from themselves.
    While I somewhat agree....and it's not the govt's job to protect people from themselves, I do wish they better protect the taxpayers who end up paying out in public assistance for these kids later.

    So I prefer to look for the best investments of my tax $$.
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    Re: Dropping out of school

    Quote Originally Posted by justabubba View Post
    for many - too many - students, this attitude arrives with them in kindergarten
    but we still try to teach and reach them
    let's not give up on them even if they give up on themselves

    one wrinkle i would add is to adjust benefits available to homes where government assistance is provided
    if the children perform well in school, the home receives some bonus ... internet access, for instance
    but if the student has behavioral and/or performance issues, then withhold said perk. provide incentives and disincentives to the parent(s) depending upon their childrens' behavior and school achievements
    But how far do you take it. If the kid really doesn't wasn't too be there he is not going to learn anything so there is no benefit to him and odds are good that he will be a disruption to the class which will only hurt the kids who are trying to learn and put them behind. Even if he is not acting out the teacher is going to have to spend time working with him which is time she could be spending with kids who want a better future.
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    Re: Dropping out of school

    When I was in high school in SoCal, you could drop out of high school when you turned 16, I knew a lot of people that did.

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    Re: Dropping out of school

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    When I was in high school in SoCal, you could drop out of high school when you turned 16, I knew a lot of people that did.
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    Re: Dropping out of school

    Quote Originally Posted by Lursa View Post
    While I somewhat agree....and it's not the govt's job to protect people from themselves, I do wish they better protect the taxpayers who end up paying out in public assistance for these kids later.

    So I prefer to look for the best investments of my tax $$.
    But making someone sit in class against there will is not going to provide that person with an education. You have to want to learn or its not going to happen. Plus how is that fair to the kids who are trying but now have an added distraction in their class.
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    Re: Dropping out of school

    Well, until our education system is made to have some actual worth beyond a piece of paper, then I wouldn't make any school attendance compulsory. High school is absolutely worthless for doing anything. You shouldn't HAVE to go to college to get a decent paying job. Some well paying jobs, such as HVAC among others, could very easily be trained for in highschool so that at 18 our kids have a marketable skill. Instead we walk out of highschool and oh goody, we can take a test. But, thats it.
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