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    Re: Dropping out of school

    Quote Originally Posted by Kal'Stang View Post
    Should the ability to drop out of high school be allowed? Or should we start forcing students to attend school until they pass 12th grade? (note: this only applies to 17 and younger as adults should be making their own choices)

    Personally I think that we should force them to continue through 12th grade. It is pretty much a requirement in this day and age that people have at least a 12th grade education just to get a job slightly above minimum wage.
    If we're going to force them to attend then the indoctrination centers known as public schools need to be entirely revamped. I mean, making someone do something against their will while indoctrinating them at the same time is akin to police state tactics.

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    Re: Dropping out of school

    Once they are 18 they can decide for themselves. Until then, forced.

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    Re: Dropping out of school

    Quote Originally Posted by TheDemSocialist View Post
    Yes I think we should. I also think we should start giving technical school options once you reach high school. But to answer your question, yes I do.
    I mentioned this in another thread, but when I went to high school, we had two paths we were required to follow. We were either on the academic path, and had plans to go on to college, or we were on the technical path, and had plans to learn a skill for a job after high school. Our schedules had to reflect either one, or the other. There was no way around it.

    I don't know if they still do it that way, but if not, it should be. Don't just throw kids to the wolves without them having some general idea of how to support themselves, or at least where they are going with their lives.




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    Re: Dropping out of school

    Quote Originally Posted by Superfly View Post
    I mentioned this in another thread, but when I went to high school, we had two paths we were required to follow. We were either on the academic path, and had plans to go on to college, or we were on the technical path, and had plans to learn a skill for a job after high school. Our schedules had to reflect either one, or the other. There was no way around it.

    I don't know if they still do it that way, but if not, it should be. Don't just throw kids to the wolves without them having some general idea of how to support themselves, or at least where they are going with their lives.
    My school also offered a similar path. I think all schools should offer the same path.


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    Re: Dropping out of school

    If the schools can't be made safe and worthwhile for everyone (which let's face it, many are not), then forcing the kids to remain is just imprisonment. Schools, parents, and taxpayers in general should be more concerned with K-12 being tolerable and adequate enough that the kids will want to attend.

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    Re: Dropping out of school

    Quote Originally Posted by Helix View Post
    everyone should have to at least finish high school with some rare exceptions.
    I can see it now, half of detroit public schools will be age 30+ as they struggle with mandatory graduation

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    Re: Dropping out of school

    I think they should be allowed to drop out at 16, even tho I believe a HS education should be completed even before entering a trade or trade school.

    However no 16 yr old should be individually eligible for any public assistance of any kind until they reach 18.That way the parents remain responsible for them and have more incentive to get them to finish. And if the kid go out on their own or get kicked out of the house, they have to find jobs that pay enough to survive on, or....oh well.
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    Re: Dropping out of school

    the minor does not understand how dropping out impacts his/her future
    ending their education is not a decision best left to a minor
    so, until attaining the age of emancipation, the minor should be required to attend school
    and that could be home school, voc school, public school, college

    Dropouts are more likely to be unemployed, have poor health, live in poverty, be on public assistance, and be single parents.
    it is good public policy to avoid our children becoming dropouts
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    Re: Dropping out of school

    Quote Originally Posted by polgara View Post
    Greetings, Kal'Stang! Long time no talk to you..

    The thing that disturbs me is that Home Ec is no longer offered in many schools. We still need to eat - which sometimes requires cooking - and we should all know the basics of sewing in order to repair clothing...or make new. There is a great community need for these skills, and I see it as a problem coming up in the future. We're raising a generation of people who have never been taught how to do these things, and that's not good, IMO.
    With all due respect, IMO it is not the school's place to teach that. It's a 'nice to have' but today kids dont even seem to be able to properly learn the basics of science, math, English, history, etc. Critical thinking would be nice. If there is room for electives, sure but otherwise, kids can be taught those things at home, in church youth groups, YMCA, Boys & Girls Clubs, etc.

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    I have felt pain when I was in the womb. So when you say they are incapable of feeling pain, that is based on junk science.
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    Re: Dropping out of school

    Quote Originally Posted by justabubba View Post
    the minor does not understand how dropping out impacts his/her future
    ending their education is not a decision best left to a minor
    so, until attaining the age of emancipation, the minor should be required to attend school
    and that could be home school, voc school, public school, college


    it is good public policy to avoid our children becoming dropouts
    Exactly. My daughter is 16, and would love nothing more than to drop out, sleep 'til noon and work at the movie theater the rest of her life. That's why there are parents - to keep kids from making stupid choices, like dropping out of school. My mom didn't try to stop me. She just let me do whatever I wanted to, and I wish she hadn't. I wish she had pushed me harder, but that's another thread. Once I realized what I'd done, I worked my ass off to get my GED, and I was told by the testers that I scored much higher than average. Just think of what I could have done, had I had the support of my parents. Anyway, I learned how not to raise my children from my parents, so while my daughter thinks I'm a real hard ass, she'll appreciate it when she gets older.




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