View Poll Results: Should we force kids to finish 12th grade?

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    Re: Dropping out of school

    Quote Originally Posted by lizzie View Post
    We don't force them now- at least not in this part of the country.

    And no, we shouldn't force them at all. Some kids just aren't going to make the grade, no matter how long you make them stay in high school. That being said, I think it would be great to have more of what we used to call trade schools, where kids who aren't scholastically inclined can learn some useful skills for working a real job.
    : Many high schools used to routinely offer that option. I don't know how many still do, but everyone is not interested in college, and we still need what I call "trade" people - those roofers, carpenters, electricians, car mechanics. etc. A degree in Theatre Arts is not going to be much help if your garage door refuses to open.

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    Re: Dropping out of school

    That tended (and still is) a problem for drop-outs. You ended up finding out about 30 years ago that a lot of drop-outs had just missed out on a large chunk of vocational skills and finance awareness by a year or two. You'd load all (or much) of that in a student's final two years of education, and then you'd find out that these kids couldn't keep a job, hadn't grabbed one, weren't knowledgeable for getting an apartment, etc.
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    Re: Dropping out of school

    Quote Originally Posted by polgara View Post
    : Many high schools used to routinely offer that option. I don't know how many still do, but everyone is not interested in college, and we still need what I call "trade" people - those roofers, carpenters, electricians, car mechanics. etc. A degree in Theatre Arts is not going to be much help if your garage door refuses to open.

    Greetings, lizzie.
    Heck, even at my age, and being college educated, I am seriously considering learning a trade myself. I just need to find someone willing to let me be his apprentice.
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    Re: Dropping out of school

    everyone should have to at least finish high school with some rare exceptions.

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    Re: Dropping out of school

    Quote Originally Posted by Kal'Stang View Post
    Should the ability to drop out of high school be allowed? Or should we start forcing students to attend school until they pass 12th grade? (note: this only applies to 17 and younger as adults should be making their own choices)

    Personally I think that we should force them to continue through 12th grade. It is pretty much a requirement in this day and age that people have at least a 12th grade education just to get a job slightly above minimum wage.
    Umm - yes.

    I think you're looking at dropping out in this way: Kid doesn't want to go to school anymore and drops out / Adult decides child doesn't need to go to school anymore and drops out. . . and both of these are done to do things like get married or whatever. No further education is expected or planned.

    But in order to move or just transfer schools you must be able to drop out of one school system and enroll in the next.

    And some drop out to enroll in private schools, be home schooled. ETC.

    Setting arbitrary age-limits also holds back and anchors down children who are exceptionally advanced and don't need to stay in school until they're 18 - because they're advanced and it's just not necessary.
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    Re: Dropping out of school

    Quote Originally Posted by Kal'Stang View Post
    I like the idea of an apprenticeship at a trade schoool. If they attempt to drop out. Perhaps give them the choice of either dropping out and going to a trade school or finishing high school.
    Greetings, Kal'Stang! Long time no talk to you..

    The thing that disturbs me is that Home Ec is no longer offered in many schools. We still need to eat - which sometimes requires cooking - and we should all know the basics of sewing in order to repair clothing...or make new. There is a great community need for these skills, and I see it as a problem coming up in the future. We're raising a generation of people who have never been taught how to do these things, and that's not good, IMO.

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    Re: Dropping out of school

    Eighteen-year-old youths can have the knowledge, empathy, and reasoning skills of a full-grown adult--but not the judgment skills. Giving them the freedom to screw themselves over for life is absurd.

    Let's have the conversation about different kinds of education, such as trade schools, not whether they should be in school in the first place.
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    Re: Dropping out of school

    Quote Originally Posted by lizzie View Post
    Heck, even at my age, and being college educated, I am seriously concerning learning a trade myself. I just need to find someone willing to let me be his apprentice.
    My mom at one time decided she wanted to learn how to reupholster furniture. She was an excellent seamstress, and she was unwilling to pay someone to do something she felt she could do. Darned if she didn't find an ad that a community center was offering to teach people for a very small charge. Veni Vidi Vici! She got so good at it that a friend of mine had her completely redo all the cushions and seats on his boat! She wanted to learn for herself, but she could have had quite a business if she had wanted to - but she didn't. She just wanted to know how, but us kids kept her busy reupholstering for us! I suspect she had days when she wondered why she ever wanted to learn in the first place! :

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    Re: Dropping out of school

    I have to agree with the others in this thread, if you want to drop out you have to be accepted for a trade or another option. Though I would not do it at any expense of the intellectual education and development of the knowledge economy.

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    Re: Dropping out of school

    Quote Originally Posted by Kal'Stang View Post
    Should the ability to drop out of high school be allowed? Or should we start forcing students to attend school until they pass 12th grade? (note: this only applies to 17 and younger as adults should be making their own choices)

    Personally I think that we should force them to continue through 12th grade. It is pretty much a requirement in this day and age that people have at least a 12th grade education just to get a job slightly above minimum wage.
    I think nobody should be considered a full citizen until they pass a test proving they learned what they were supposed to learn in the 12 years of normal education.
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