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Thread: Dropping out of school

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    Re: Dropping out of school

    Quote Originally Posted by Superfly View Post
    Kids have been a distraction in school since the beginning of school.



    It's a lot easier to get a job with a diploma, than without. That's how that "magical piece of paper" works, you know.
    Yes but you know very well some are a bigger distraction than others. Those with no desire to learn especially.

    You have to compare the same person getting a diploma or not. Even if that were true, should it be the case that enduring 11-12th grade makes a person more employable? What qualities does that same person gain that they couldn't at home?

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    Re: Dropping out of school

    Quote Originally Posted by justabubba View Post
    no. they did not
    until the GI bill became available to veterans after WWII, a college education was the privy of the elite and those very academically gifted, who often attended only because of offered scholarships
    it was not until the advent of the GI bill that college enrollments boomed
    the graphs would not load but you can see them here: History of U.S. Higher Education | Education Advisor
    "Public education". K to 12. Got it?

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    Re: Dropping out of school

    Quote Originally Posted by AJiveMan View Post
    What claim, all I did was post a link. That's the problem with cons, they're always trying to ram **** down people's throats and putting words in other people's mouths.
    You posted a claim that somehow, 5 people who dropped out of school and became millionaires means anything considering the average 1.2 million students that drop out of school each year. If your link didn't mean anything, why did you post it?
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    Re: Dropping out of school

    Quote Originally Posted by justabubba View Post
    no. they did not
    until the GI bill became available to veterans after WWII, a college education was the privy of the elite and those very academically gifted, who often attended only because of offered scholarships
    it was not until the advent of the GI bill that college enrollments boomed
    the graphs would not load but you can see them here: History of U.S. Higher Education | Education Advisor
    We are talking about high school, not college. Try to keep up.
    There is nothing demonstrably true that religion can provide the world that cannot be achieved more rationally through entirely secular means.

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    Re: Dropping out of school

    Quote Originally Posted by Cephus View Post
    You posted a claim that somehow, 5 people who dropped out of school and became millionaires means anything considering the average 1.2 million students that drop out of school each year. If your link didn't mean anything, why did you post it?
    To prove you do not need to have finished HS or college, all you need to do is be bright, sharp, and have the desire to be successful.

    1.2 million isn't that many people when you consider the drop out rate has steadily been declining since 1990.

    http://nces.ed.gov/fastfacts/display.asp?id=16
    Last edited by AJiveMan; 05-28-14 at 07:40 PM.

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    Dropping out of school

    Quote Originally Posted by AJiveMan View Post
    To prove you do not need to have finished HS or college, all you need to do is be bright, sharp, and have the desire to be successful.
    You likely need to be extraordinary in all categories including extraordinary luck. For all intents and purposes you do need the education to get any hope of that.
    Michael J Petrilli-"Is School Choice Enough?"-A response to the recent timidity of American conservatives toward education reform. https://nationalaffairs.com/publicat...-choice-enough

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    Re: Dropping out of school

    I always felt that way until a good acquaintance of mine dropped out less than two years ago as a junior and he's now looking for a house and he's about to get married. He's doing well without going through 12th grade. While everybody else's life after dropping out may not be as good, I feel like there some other solution rather than the blanket idea of "Everybody stays in school."

    I guess my choice is "other" but I don't have a strong grasp on what the alternative choice should be.
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    Re: Dropping out of school

    Quote Originally Posted by Fiddytree View Post
    You likely need to be extraordinary in all categories including extraordinary luck. For all intents and purposes you do need the education to get any hope of that.
    I agree, education helps people to succeed, but not all.

    The OP suggested forcing children to attend through grade 12. I've already given my point of view on that earlier in this thread.

    I'd like to know how you force someone to do anything they don't want to do. What does the OP have in mind for the type of force
    needed?

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    Re: Dropping out of school

    I wouldn't force them, but we ought to do a better job at keeping the doors open for older people who have dropped out, realized it was a huge mistake and are ready to come back and learn.

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    Re: Dropping out of school

    i don't think forcing would be required if the schools were doing their jobs.
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