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Do you support Obamacare ?

Do you support Obamacare ?


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Well, obviously not a solution YOU would like...being a progressive and all...but a solution nevertheless.

What could be clearly solved?
 
its disgusting that CJ Roberts decided he wanted to prove he was more clever than the other justices

The only real complaint I have of Roberts is that he didn't try to pin down the Democrats on whether the punishment for not buying insurance is a tax or a fine...considering they identified it as both at various times. He allowed them to stick with it as a tax in the end and that's what screwed the people.
 
The only real complaint I have of Roberts is that he didn't try to pin down the Democrats on whether the punishment for not buying insurance is a tax or a fine...considering they identified it as both at various times. He allowed them to stick with it as a tax in the end and that's what screwed the people.

He should have done the right thing and thrown it out since they claimed it wasn't a taax
 
What could be clearly solved?

I think I already answered that question...but if you insist, I'll repeat myself just this once:

offered a solution for a significant number of people without massively increasing government control, taking away the right and responsibility of people to choose for themselves and without adding massive amounts of additional spending to a government that can't keep up with the bills it already had.
 
I think I already answered that question...but if you insist, I'll repeat myself just this once:

Not really specific, is it.

Devil is in the details.
 
being forced to purchase a payment scheme for a service I should be able to choose and pay for myself..under penalty of law...which serves to get more people people forced under the same corrupt umbrella so insurance companies can continue to make incredible profits and idiot politicians can break their arms patting themselves on their own backs over the blatant cronyism and abject power grab they just instituted?

hey, what's not to love about that?

you know what hasn't changed?... not a single one of us know how much we pay for actual healthcare.... nobody know what the **** the costs are... and that, my friends , is by design.
500 bucks for a Tylenol?...$100 bucks for a pillow?...$4500 bucks to lance a boil?... still happening every single day.... the only difference now is, every single one of us is forced to accept and engage in this thoroughly corrupt and unethical business model.
the unwashed masses just have to pay a meager monthly fee, so they completely and utterly ignore the vast corruption that goes on with their money....
nobody cares about all that though, primarily because the american people are stupid and corrupt.

maybe next time people jump on idiot bandwagons like Obamacare, they might look at the whole scheme and say " nah, fix the corruption and unethical behavior of these money gougers and then we'll talk about forcing me to pay them monthly fees that are altogether too high".
but , meh, that would entail people not blindly supporting their chosen political party, and that won't happen in any of our lifetimes.


/rant
 
Not really specific, is it.

Devil is in the details.

Ahhh...speaking of details...at least the Republicans have never said we need to vote for it to know what's in it.

In any event, perhaps...if things work out for the Republicans...perhaps we will find out the details. I'm sure, though, that you'll know the details before anything gets shoved down your throat.
 
Ahhh...speaking of details...at least the Republicans have never said we need to vote for it to know what's in it.

In any event, perhaps...if things work out for the Republicans...perhaps we will find out the details. I'm sure, though, that you'll know the details before anything gets shoved down your throat.

So you have no details.

Got it.

Why not just say that instead of posing.
 
So you have no details.

Got it.

Why not just say that instead of posing.

Details for what? Are you saying that Republican ideas should be at the "details" stage? Heck, thanks to Obama, his Democrat buddies and that abortion of their's...Obamacare, the Republicans can't get past the "ideas" stage.

But that doesn't mean those ideas don't deserve consideration. That's what's so pathetic about liberals/progressives/Democrats. Y'all would rather screw over our country by shoving something like Obamacare down our throats than consider alternatives.
 
The ACA is a nice framework to develop the future US healthcare system.

It uses Conservative principles and should work out to be fairly cost effective and eventually cover everyone.

But tge devil is on the details, and the GOP obstruction on improving it at any cost will probably make the ACA much less beneficial to the population than it could be.

After the GOP fever breaks this should turn out to be a decent framework in the long term.
 
being forced to purchase a payment scheme for a service I should be able to choose and pay for myself..under penalty of law...which serves to get more people people forced under the same corrupt umbrella so insurance companies can continue to make incredible profits and idiot politicians can break their arms patting themselves on their own backs over the blatant cronyism and abject power grab they just instituted?

hey, what's not to love about that?

you know what hasn't changed?... not a single one of us know how much we pay for actual healthcare.... nobody know what the **** the costs are... and that, my friends , is by design.
500 bucks for a Tylenol?...$100 bucks for a pillow?...$4500 bucks to lance a boil?... still happening every single day.... the only difference now is, every single one of us is forced to accept and engage in this thoroughly corrupt and unethical business model.
the unwashed masses just have to pay a meager monthly fee, so they completely and utterly ignore the vast corruption that goes on with their money....
nobody cares about all that though, primarily because the american people are stupid and corrupt.

maybe next time people jump on idiot bandwagons like Obamacare, they might look at the whole scheme and say " nah, fix the corruption and unethical behavior of these money gougers and then we'll talk about forcing me to pay them monthly fees that are altogether too high".
but , meh, that would entail people not blindly supporting their chosen political party, and that won't happen in any of our lifetimes.


/rant

This is an extremely good post. A+ to the author. Great job Thrills.
 
Details for what? Are you saying that Republican ideas should be at the "details" stage? Heck, thanks to Obama, his Democrat buddies and that abortion of their's...Obamacare, the Republicans can't get past the "ideas" stage.

But that doesn't mean those ideas don't deserve consideration. That's what's so pathetic about liberals/progressives/Democrats. Y'all would rather screw over our country by shoving something like Obamacare down our throats than consider alternatives.

Alternatives? You certainly have my full undivided attention. I am all ears.
 
Alternatives? You certainly have my full undivided attention. I am all ears.

You're all ears? Who cares?

You want to discuss alternatives? Start a thread.
 
being forced to purchase a payment scheme for a service I should be able to choose and pay for myself..under penalty of law...which serves to get more people people forced under the same corrupt umbrella so insurance companies can continue to make incredible profits and idiot politicians can break their arms patting themselves on their own backs over the blatant cronyism and abject power grab they just instituted?

hey, what's not to love about that?

you know what hasn't changed?... not a single one of us know how much we pay for actual healthcare.... nobody know what the **** the costs are... and that, my friends , is by design.
500 bucks for a Tylenol?...$100 bucks for a pillow?...$4500 bucks to lance a boil?... still happening every single day.... the only difference now is, every single one of us is forced to accept and engage in this thoroughly corrupt and unethical business model.
the unwashed masses just have to pay a meager monthly fee, so they completely and utterly ignore the vast corruption that goes on with their money....
nobody cares about all that though, primarily because the american people are stupid and corrupt.

maybe next time people jump on idiot bandwagons like Obamacare, they might look at the whole scheme and say " nah, fix the corruption and unethical behavior of these money gougers and then we'll talk about forcing me to pay them monthly fees that are altogether too high".
but , meh, that would entail people not blindly supporting their chosen political party, and that won't happen in any of our lifetimes.


/rant

My sentiments exactly.



Sometimes I honestly can't figure out why I'm even still active here, beyond sheer entertainment value.
 
I will support it until something better comes along. At which point I will be the first person to say **** this piece of ****, out with the old in with the new...

I support it because its better than what we had, covers more people, and forces the insurance companies to do the right thing.

I am not so sure it covers more people. The only stat we really have to go on is the number who signed up on the exchanges. And since the administration is not releasing the breakdowns on that, we can assume that most who signed up on the exchanges were either already qualified for medicare or had insurance prior to the ACA....such as many of the citizens kicked off their existing individual policies. And as we are finding out, the insurance available on the exchanges is limited in regards to participating doctors and hospitals. When all is said and done, it is possible that more will be they might insured...however....the vast majority of Americans will be stuck on high premium plans with deductables ranging from $6000.00 to $12,000.00. Technically they will be insured, however the policies will amount to little more then very expensive catastrophic policies.
 
No, it is yet another massive federal entitlement program based on income redistribution and crony capitalism. It was only considered constitutional because one lame SCOTUS justice decided that the federal gov't can do anything if they simply relate it to the tax code.

Yep. The top justice suddenly became an activist judge.
 
I will likely be modified over time, but it will not be "repealed and replaced"... that ship has sailed.

It will likely be modified to the point of repeal. The individual and employer mandates will ultimately go down in flames. And without them......Obamacare is as dead as Osama Bin Laden.
 
This mirrors my feelings. It's better than doing nothing, and so far, nothing is the only alternative I've seen put forward to compete with it, so for the moment I'm in favor. As soon as someone suggests something better, I'm happy to get rid of it.

So what you are suggesting is that "something is better then nothing...even if that something is worse then what already existed".
 
Yep. The top justice suddenly became an activist judge.

The odd thing is that he seems to see it as just the opposite of judicial activism - by letting our congress critters (the will of the people) control as much as possible. I fully agree with you that taxation being based upon how income was not later spent was never the intent of the 16th amendment.
 
Until single payer comes along ...emphatically, YES.

You can forget about single payer. It's not going to happen. The lieberals barely managed to get obamacare passed. And they had to bribe members of their own party to get it done.
 


Then I support it.

Obamacare is very bad for me but it is good for the country. I think everybody will agree with me. I have to pay more than I did before. It's a sneaky tax that will solve some of the nation's problems. Liberals should be against it because it raises revenues and reduces expenses. Conservatives should be for it because it raises revenues and reduces expenses.

For some reason it is the other way around. :thinking That's got me pretty puzzled. Are all conservatives complete liars?

I do not agree with you.
 
Details for what? Are you saying that Republican ideas should be at the "details" stage? Heck, thanks to Obama, his Democrat buddies and that abortion of their's...Obamacare, the Republicans can't get past the "ideas" stage.

But that doesn't mean those ideas don't deserve consideration. That's what's so pathetic about liberals/progressives/Democrats. Y'all would rather screw over our country by shoving something like Obamacare down our throats than consider alternatives.

I would assume since you are indicating you have answers....that you actually had something in mind. BOth you and I know the devil is in the details and you haven't even produced a semblance of a framework, let alone details.
 
Just a few other constituencies of note: It will also help those with pre-existing conditions that previously were uninsurable; it will help the working poor that made too much for medicaid, but could not afford insurance; it will ease the $116B spend each year to provide medical coverage to those that were uninsured; and, it will encourage entrepreneurship as no longer is one tethered to an employer because that is the only place (s)he can get health insurance...

What are they going to do with the 30 million or so that still don't have insurance?

Greetings, upsideguy. :2wave:
 
I voted no only because there was no hell no option.

I don't CARE if there are some good components in Obamacare. There are very very few really bad laws that have no redeeming features to them whatsoever. And the few good components could have been addressed and accomplished without taking control of the entire system.

I oppose Obamacare because it is unconstitutional; most of it is very bad law that takes away the rights of the people in favor of an ever larger, more expensive, more intrusive, more authoritarian, more totalitarian central government for the benefit of a privileged permanent political class; and it is likely to complete the destruction of the finest medical system the world has ever known.

Unconstitutional and authoritarian....pretty much says it all.
 
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