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Do you support Obamacare ?

Do you support Obamacare ?


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I will support it until something better comes along. At which point I will be the first person to say **** this piece of ****, out with the old in with the new...

I support it because its better than what we had, covers more people, and forces the insurance companies to do the right thing.
 
I support it hopefully; it is a timid step on the way to Unversed Healthcare.:2wave:
 
I support some aspects, but not all. I think overall it does harm and it should be repealed and replaced.
 
I support some aspects, but not all. I think overall it does harm and it should be repealed and replaced.

can you tell us why disgbe ?
 
No, it is yet another massive federal entitlement program based on income redistribution and crony capitalism. It was only considered constitutional because one lame SCOTUS justice decided that the federal gov't can do anything if they simply relate it to the tax code.
 
I will support it until something better comes along. At which point I will be the first person to say **** this piece of ****, out with the old in with the new...

I support it because its better than what we had, covers more people, and forces the insurance companies to do the right thing.
Pretty much the way I feel about it too. :thumbs:
 
I support some aspects, but not all. I think overall it does harm and it should be repealed and replaced.

I will likely be modified over time, but it will not be "repealed and replaced"... that ship has sailed.
 
No, it is yet another massive federal entitlement program based on income redistribution and crony capitalism. It was only considered constitutional because one lame SCOTUS justice decided that the federal gov't can do anything if they simply relate it to the tax code.

Income redistribution to whom? Insurance company execs?
 
other - it's better than we had, at least in states with medicaid expansion, but also the "preexisting condition" crap, but what i really support is single payer
 
I support it hopefully; it is a timid step on the way to Unversed Healthcare.:2wave:

Not even close...

It is a step in the opposite direction, placing more profits and more control in the hands of insurance companies.

Universal health care cannot function in a for-profit model. Not one universal model has a large for-profit aspect, the best have none at all.

France, Germany, Norway, Canada, the pioneers have all removed profit from the equation.

It will never happen in America....at least not in my lifetime. The failures and disruptions caused by this pig will drive back that impetus and rightfully so. So bad is this law that no American should trust his government on the issue again for a decade. You had the world's best health care economists standing right next door offereing to advise. Obama ignored them. Those Canadian economists said 15 million people would have to change plans or lose them, and Obama said "if you like your plan....."

Those same economists also projected what will happen three, five, ten years from now when the mandates kick in, when the ER waiting rooms get closed by the fire marshal, that this way is your Gotterdamerung, Obama went on saying "if you like your plan" because the picture they painted, which hjas been 100 % accurate so far, is really, really ugly.

And moving to an even more, gasp, "socialist" model will not be on, the people are not going to believe it will be less costly than the rusted out, engineless and broken Edsel at Cadillac prices they are already paying for.

Obama set your tragectory back by at least ten years, maybe fifty..the smell of this garbage is going to linger a long, long time.
 
I support it only due to being better then what there was before. I'd rather have something better or single payer then the ACA/Obamacare. However it seems, at the moment, the only choices being given are 110% support of Obamacare or "repeal and maybe we'll replace it with something, haven't decided yet."
 
Yes/no.

I really like certain aspects of it, like, no preexisting conditions exclusions & that a parent's child can remain insured until the age of 26.

That stuff is terrific.

What's not terrific is: 1) it's unconstitutional, 2) it is far more expensive than when it was being shilled, 3) the website is an invitation for identity theft & compromised personal information, 4) the fact that government agencies not associated with healthcare have access to the information provided by enrolled Americans & 5) people losing their insurance and/or doctor despite what was shilled.
 
No.

AHCA only helps ONE group...the insurance companies. That's why they backed it in the first place. It's the brain child of fellow corporate shill, Romney.
 
Not even close...

It is a step in the opposite direction, placing more profits and more control in the hands of insurance companies.

Universal health care cannot function in a for-profit model. Not one universal model has a large for-profit aspect, the best have none at all.

France, Germany, Norway, Canada, the pioneers have all removed profit from the equation.

It will never happen in America....at least not in my lifetime. The failures and disruptions caused by this pig will drive back that impetus and rightfully so. So bad is this law that no American should trust his government on the issue again for a decade. You had the world's best health care economists standing right next door offereing to advise. Obama ignored them. Those Canadian economists said 15 million people would have to change plans or lose them, and Obama said "if you like your plan....."

Those same economists also projected what will happen three, five, ten years from now when the mandates kick in, when the ER waiting rooms get closed by the fire marshal, that this way is your Gotterdamerung, Obama went on saying "if you like your plan" because the picture they painted, which hjas been 100 % accurate so far, is really, really ugly.

And moving to an even more, gasp, "socialist" model will not be on, the people are not going to believe it will be less costly than the rusted out, engineless and broken Edsel at Cadillac prices they are already paying for.

Obama set your tragectory back by at least ten years, maybe fifty..the smell of this garbage is going to linger a long, long time.

True...the plan we have now is/was garbage when it was lifted off without a public option.BUT, we can hope that someone in the future will look at this mess and mutter to him/herself... WTF! and more sane minds will prevail.Near term, we can at least move onto the Swedish model,which were almost into now.:2wave:
 
I don't support the ACA, but I think attempting to repeal it is a huge waste of time. We should put our efforts into fixing the glaring problems instead of partisan rabble-rousing.
 
I don't support the ACA, but I think attempting to repeal it is a huge waste of time. We should put our efforts into fixing the glaring problems instead of partisan rabble-rousing.

You cannot polish a turd. There is no way to “fix” this disastrous piece of sh^H^Hlegislation that doesn't begin with completely repealing it, and removing from office as many as possible of the idiots who are responsible for inflicting it on us in the first place.
 
Not a chance. It's a horrible idea across the board that's going to cost us all a ton of money and do absolutely nothing.
 
You cannot polish a turd. There is no way to “fix” this disastrous piece of sh^H^Hlegislation that doesn't begin with completely repealing it, and removing from office as many as possible of the idiots who are responsible for inflicting it on us in the first place.

Sorry, my pitchfork and torch is on loan. But you have fun.
 
I don't support the ACA, but I think attempting to repeal it is a huge waste of time. We should put our efforts into fixing the glaring problems instead of partisan rabble-rousing.

Well part of the reason the GOP doesn't want to "fix" it is because they don't have a replacement plan. The ACA is essentially an aggregation of formerly Republican ideas. The GOP is idealistically bankrupt in providing an alternative and hence why their replacement options are little more than charades that reduce coverage, leave millions uninsured and does nothing to reduce the cost of healthcare. Does the ACA suck in many ways? Absolutely, but it's better than the promotion of freeloading that the GOP's plan does. Unless we remove the Reagan era laws that prevent hospitals from denying live saving care, we're stuck with this problem. I'd rather have a system that promotes people getting their own insurance over a system that promotes the rampant theft of insurance pool money. But that's just me.

I do think the ACA should jack up the fee to be more than the cost of insurance. That was a big fault right there.

The #1 problem I see with American health care is that there is effectively no transparency. Why does an operation here cost $5,000 and the same there costs $50,000 with no complications in either? Makes. No. Sense.

Until we solve the transparency issue, we will NEVER solve our healthcare issues.
 
Repeal this POS law. t has done nothing but hurt america and american workers.
 
Income redistribution to whom? Insurance company execs?

No, that would be the crony capitalism aspect via guaranteed profits; the income redistribution is via the PPACA exchange subsidies, Medicaid expansion and dropping all health care actuarial risk factors except for age and tobacco use.
 
Damn. I hit the wrong one I must be loosing my mind. I voted yes, but I am actually a no. So the poll is skewed by at least one vote...
 
I only support some parts of it and not others.
 
Supposedly, it was intended to cover Americans who were not previously covered.

This sounds like baloney to me because if they REALLY wanted to cover those who were not covered (and little else) then all they had to do was bring forth a plan that would do just that...additional funds to cover the medical expenses of uninsured Americans (not saying I would be for that either - I would have to see it).
It would have been far cheaper, far simpler and would probably have been able to be passed FAR easier.

But no, they bring forth this gigantic, bloated whale that seems little more then Obama's best attempt to bring forth a general, government healthcare system.

Obamacare is more 'government knows best' nonsense that (though sometimes well intentioned) is currently weighing down the U.S. (and most western+Japan) economies...the ridiculous notion that massively corrupt governments know better what to do with private citizens monies then they do.
 
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